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From: "Peter Wächtler" <pwaechtler@loewe-komp.de>
To: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, frankeh@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Futex Asynchronous Interface
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:37:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D0867EA.8090809@loewe-komp.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E17IKo3-000341-00@wagner.rustcorp.com.au>

Rusty Russell wrote:
> In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206120946100.22189-100000@home.transmeta.com> you wr
> ite:
> 
>>
>>
>>On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Peter W=E4chtler wrote:
>>
>>>For the uncontended case: their is no blocked process...
>>>
>>Wrong.
>>
>>The process that holds the lock can die _before_ it gets contended.
>>
>>When another thread comes in, it now is contended, but the kernel doesn't
>>know about anything.
>>
> 
> Note also: this is a feature.
> 
> I have a little helper program which can grab or release a futex in a
> (mmapped) file.  It's great for shell scripts to grab locks.  In this
> case the helper exits with the lock held, and a later invocation
> releases a lock it never held.
> 
> *AND* the lock is persistent across reboots, since it's in a file.
> How cool is that!
> 

Don't want to bugg you: but you would have to clean them up in any case
when you restart your system of cooperating programs.

Posix shmem would be a nice place to store your mmaped file so that it's
gone after reboot - but gives "kernel life time".

And not that I want to put the futexes down: but now I understand why
the PROCESS_SHARED locks on Irix live in the kernel. Yes, perhaps we
should provide both and the app can choose what suits best.



  reply	other threads:[~2002-06-13  9:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-06-06  7:26 [PATCH] Futex Asynchronous Interface Rusty Russell
2002-06-02  0:10 ` Pavel Machek
2002-06-10  6:57   ` Rusty Russell
2002-06-06 16:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-06 19:27   ` Alan Cox
2002-06-06 23:21   ` Rusty Russell
2002-06-07  8:33     ` Peter Wächtler
2002-06-08 22:28       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-09  9:49         ` Kai Henningsen
2002-06-09 18:09           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-09 19:06             ` Thunder from the hill
2002-06-10  6:39             ` Kai Henningsen
2002-06-10  7:55             ` Helge Hafting
2002-06-10 14:10               ` Thunder from the hill
2002-06-10 20:46                 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-06-11 14:14                   ` john slee
2002-06-10 15:11               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-11 15:06                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-06-10 20:57             ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-06-09 10:07         ` Peter Wächtler
2002-06-09 17:49           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-07  9:06   ` Rusty Russell
2002-06-08 22:42     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-11  9:15       ` Rusty Russell
2002-06-11 16:53         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-12  5:32           ` Rusty Russell
2002-06-12  9:16             ` Peter Wächtler
2002-06-12 14:19               ` Hubertus Franke
2002-06-12 16:50                 ` Peter Wächtler
2002-06-12 18:15                   ` Vladimir Zidar
2002-06-12 15:39               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-12 16:29                 ` Peter Wächtler
2002-06-12 16:52                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-12 17:07                     ` Peter Wächtler
2002-06-12 18:32                     ` Saurabh Desai
2002-06-12 20:05                     ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-06-12 20:16                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-13  2:57                     ` Rusty Russell
2002-06-13  9:37                       ` Peter Wächtler [this message]
2002-06-13  9:55                         ` Rusty Russell
2002-06-13 16:38                     ` Gabriel Paubert
2002-06-13 16:40                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-13  1:32               ` Rusty Russell
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-06-06 16:08 Martin Wirth
2002-06-06 22:59 ` Rusty Russell

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