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From: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>
To: Patrick Mochel <mochel@osdl.org>
Cc: Nick Bellinger <nickb@attheoffice.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] /proc/scsi/map
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:49:36 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D18AD30.7040904@pacbell.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Pine.LNX.4.33.0206250920150.8496-100000@geena.pdx.osdl.net

>>Why shouldn't there be a $DRIVERFS/net/ipv4@10.42.135.99/... style
>>hookup for iSCSI devices?  Using whatever physical addressing the
>>kernel uses there, which I assume wouldn't necessarily be restricted
>>to ipv4.  (And not exposing physical network topology -- routing! --
>>in driverfs.)
> 
> 
> You can very well use driverfs to expose those attributes, and is one of 
> the things that we've been discussing at the kernel summit. driverfs will 
> take over the world. But, I still think the device is best represented as 
> a child of the phsysical network device. 

Which one?  I'd certainly hope that drivers wouldn't have to choose which
of the various network interfaces to register under, or register under
every network interface concurrently.  (Or only the ones they might
conceivably be routed to go out on...)  Given a bonded network link (going
out over multiple physical drivers) that'd get hairy.  And what about
devices that host several logical interfaces?  Or when the interfaces get
moved to some other device?

That's why I think a "non-physical" tree (not under $DRIVERFS/root) is more
sensible in such cases.  Which is not to say it's without additional issues
(like how to establish/maintain driver linkages that are DAGs not single
parent trees) but it wouldn't require drivers to dig as deeply into lower
levels of their stack.  (And some network interfaces might well live in
such a non-physical tree, not just iSCSI...)

I think that problem wouldn't quite be isomorphic to multipath access to
devices, though it seems to be related.  "Driver stacking" is an area
that "driverfs" doesn't seem to address quite yet ... not needed in the
simpler driver scenarios, so that's what I'd expect at this stage.

- Dave





  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-06-25 17:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-06-22 17:24 [PATCH] /proc/scsi/map David Brownell
2002-06-22 17:48 ` Roman Zippel
2002-06-22 20:11   ` Douglas Gilbert
2002-06-22 20:57     ` Roman Zippel
2002-06-22 18:18 ` Nick Bellinger
2002-06-24  1:50   ` David Brownell
2002-06-25 16:46   ` Patrick Mochel
2002-06-25 16:33 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-06-25 17:47   ` driverfs bus_id, name (was: [PATCH] /proc/scsi/map) David Brownell
2002-06-25 19:06     ` Patrick Mochel
2002-06-25 19:55       ` David Brownell
2002-07-01 17:25         ` Patrick Mochel
2002-06-25 17:49   ` David Brownell [this message]
2002-06-26 23:39     ` [PATCH] /proc/scsi/map Nick Bellinger
2002-07-01 17:45       ` Patrick Mochel
2002-07-03  0:59     ` Pavel Machek
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-06-22  6:29 Adam J. Richter
2002-06-25 16:17 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-06-20 23:59 Grover, Andrew
2002-06-20  0:44 Kurt Garloff
2002-06-20  5:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-20  7:09   ` Martin Schwenke
2002-06-20 15:13     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-20 15:36       ` Dave Jones
2002-06-20 17:01         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-20 16:55       ` Andries Brouwer
2002-06-20 17:52         ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-06-20 18:36           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-20 18:52             ` James Bottomley
2002-06-20 19:15               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-20 16:28                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-06-21  0:46                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-20 16:49                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-06-20 20:06                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-06-22 18:27             ` Pavel Machek
2002-06-20 18:11         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-20 22:59           ` Martin Schwenke
2002-06-20 23:13             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-22 18:25               ` Pavel Machek
2002-06-26 16:03           ` Ihno Krumreich
2002-07-01 17:33             ` Patrick Mochel
2002-06-20 19:55         ` Greg KH
2002-06-20 19:18       ` Patrick Mochel
2002-06-21  6:28       ` Mike Touloumtzis
2002-06-20 11:25   ` Kurt Garloff
2002-06-20 15:34     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-20 16:30       ` Martin Dalecki
2002-06-20 16:58         ` James Bottomley
2002-06-20 18:27           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-20 20:55             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-06-20 21:04               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-20 21:36                 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-06-20 20:12         ` Patrick Mochel
2002-06-20 22:29           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-06-22 18:42             ` Pavel Machek
2002-06-21 14:29           ` sullivan
2002-06-21 16:17             ` Patrick Mochel
2002-06-21 21:33           ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-06-22  4:38             ` Nick Bellinger
2002-06-22 19:41               ` Douglas Gilbert
2002-06-22 19:11                 ` Nick Bellinger
2002-06-25 18:13                 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-06-25 16:05             ` Patrick Mochel
2002-06-25 16:57               ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-06-25 18:58                 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-07-03  1:01                   ` Pavel Machek
2002-06-20 18:32       ` Kurt Garloff
2002-06-20 18:53         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-21  9:07         ` Kurt Garloff

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