From: "Kevin P. Fleming" <kpfleming@cox.net>
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Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: IDE/ATAPI in 2.5
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:02:32 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D2EEF88.2070609@cox.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: agl7ov$p91$1@cesium.transmeta.com
I have had plans for a while to add Media Status Notification to the
ide-floppy driver, so it can do more intelligent media change
management. To do so requires ATA (NOT ATAPI) commands to be issued to
the drive(s). How would this work if ide-scsi is being used to talk to
the drives? Would ide-scsi have to be taught about removable media and
Media Status Notification?
H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> Okay, I have suggested this before, and I haven't quite looked at this
> in detail, but I would again like to consider the following,
> especially given the changes in 2.5:
>
> Please consider deprecating or removing ide-floppy/ide-tape/ide-cdrom
> and treat all ATAPI devices as what they really are -- SCSI over IDE.
> It is a source of no ending confusion that a Linux system will not
> write CDs to an IDE CD-writer out of the box, for the simple reason
> that cdrecord needs access to the generic packet interface, which is
> only available in the nonstandard ide-scsi configuration.
>
> There really seems to be no decent reason to treat ATAPI devices as
> anything else. I understand the ide-* drivers contain some
> workarounds for specific devices, but those really should be moved to
> their respective SCSI drivers anyway -- after all, manufacturers
> readily slap IDE or SCSI interfaces on the same devices anyway.
>
> Note that this is specific to ATAPI devices. ATA hard drives are
> another matter entirely.
>
> -hpa
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-07-12 14:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 204+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-07-12 0:27 IDE/ATAPI in 2.5 H. Peter Anvin
2002-07-12 0:37 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2002-07-12 1:00 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-12 1:23 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-07-12 5:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-07-12 4:13 ` Erik Andersen
2002-07-12 4:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-07-12 4:44 ` Erik Andersen
2002-07-12 4:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-07-12 5:03 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-07-12 5:11 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-07-12 13:15 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-15 10:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-07-16 5:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-07-12 12:11 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-07-12 12:51 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-12 14:17 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2002-07-12 14:29 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-07-12 14:41 ` Jens Axboe
2002-07-12 15:00 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-07-12 15:05 ` Jens Axboe
2002-07-12 15:41 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-07-12 15:35 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-14 8:19 ` Paul Bristow
2002-07-14 9:11 ` jbradford
2002-07-14 9:16 ` Matthew D. Pitts
2002-07-14 14:04 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-07-14 16:56 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-12 15:26 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-07-12 13:22 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-12 13:07 ` Tomas Szepe
2002-07-12 14:06 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-12 15:34 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-07-12 17:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-12 18:33 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-07-12 18:54 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-07-12 18:55 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-07-12 19:35 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-07-12 19:06 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2002-07-12 23:17 ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-12 15:02 ` Kevin P. Fleming [this message]
2002-07-12 15:10 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-07-12 16:47 ` Andre Hedrick
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-07-12 19:25 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-12 19:37 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-12 19:52 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-13 6:36 ` jbradford
2002-07-13 14:25 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-13 13:55 ` Thomas Molina
2002-07-13 15:31 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-13 14:31 ` Thomas Molina
2002-07-13 14:07 ` jbradford
2002-07-13 15:32 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-13 14:36 ` jbradford
2002-07-15 11:47 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-07-15 18:44 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-12 20:06 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-07-12 20:52 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-12 19:49 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-12 19:58 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-12 20:38 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-12 21:05 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-12 19:55 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-12 20:19 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-07-13 5:40 ` Erik Andersen
2002-07-13 10:52 ` Anssi Saari
2002-07-14 0:35 ` Erik Andersen
2002-07-13 16:53 ` Olivier Galibert
2002-07-14 0:34 ` Erik Andersen
2002-07-16 5:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-07-12 19:57 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-12 21:17 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-13 5:49 ` Erik Andersen
2002-07-12 20:08 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-12 21:31 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-13 14:46 Adam J. Richter
2002-07-13 15:38 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2002-07-13 23:27 Adam J. Richter
2002-07-13 23:47 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2002-07-14 6:20 Adam J. Richter
2002-07-14 15:22 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2002-07-14 12:32 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 16:01 ` Erik Andersen
2002-07-14 12:38 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 12:44 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 12:50 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 13:02 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 13:08 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 13:59 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-14 13:17 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 14:03 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-14 14:44 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-14 13:24 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 13:39 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-07-14 14:10 ` Thunder from the hill
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2002-07-14 16:52 ` Kurt Garloff
2002-07-14 13:26 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 14:28 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-14 13:47 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 14:31 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-14 21:23 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-07-14 13:55 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 14:00 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-15 0:29 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-07-14 14:07 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 15:28 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-18 18:51 ` Kelsey Hudson
2002-07-14 14:18 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 14:35 ` Tomas Szepe
2002-07-14 15:00 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-14 19:13 ` Richard Zidlicky
2002-07-14 14:20 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 15:56 ` Erik Andersen
2002-07-14 14:25 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 14:28 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 14:45 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-07-14 14:52 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-14 14:46 ` Thunder from the hill
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2002-07-14 15:05 ` Pete Zaitcev
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2002-07-14 16:45 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-14 15:15 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 15:27 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-14 18:11 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 18:40 ` Tomas Szepe
2002-07-14 19:06 ` Tomas Szepe
2002-07-14 19:15 ` Sean Neakums
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2002-07-14 19:02 ` Willy TARREAU
2002-07-14 23:58 ` Andrew Morton
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2002-07-14 21:59 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-14 20:54 ` Sean Neakums
2002-07-14 21:09 ` Mark Hahn
2002-07-14 22:20 ` Tomas Szepe
2002-07-14 21:07 ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
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2002-07-15 3:34 ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
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2002-07-15 4:36 ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-14 20:45 ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2002-07-14 20:49 ` Daniel Egger
2002-07-14 20:13 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 20:18 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-15 9:11 ` venom
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