public inbox for linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>
To: Federico Ferreres <fferreres@ojf.com>
Cc: Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>,
	Daniel Mose <imcol@unicyclist.com>,
	Larry McVoy <lm@work.bitmover.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, openpatentfunds@home.se
Subject: Re: Funding GPL projects or funding the GPL?
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:11:59 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D453F1F.3010701@namesys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1027933632.4472.88.camel@fede

Federico Ferreres wrote:

>  
>
>>My approach has the advantage that the fee scales with hardware costs, 
>>and that it is set by users.
>>    
>>
>
>That's really an improvement over my idea (in the corporate area mostly.
>In the home user area it doesn't matter, as he will probably use 1
>computer at a time).
>
>I can clearly see that a combination of both schemes would be needed,
>because they are opposite sides of the same coin (your idea could be
>though as an x% tax on hardware to fund developement, mine as a direct
>payment from the users).
>
Mine is a direct fee payment from users with allocation of fee 
instructions accompanying the fee.  The fee is less for buyers of cheap 
computers since the hardware cost is low, so folks in Brazil on average 
pay less than folks in Silicon Valley.  The more you spend in hardware 
the more you can afford to pay/contribute for software.

>
>Everything else remains the same (as Hans and I have said, the users
>will have a limited ability to chose what they need. I say limited
>because for an Office application to work the core must remain funded
>even though the user may not notice it).
>
Limited?  What limit?  If you  pay the X% of hardware cost fee you can 
use all the software in the pool.

> 
>  
>
>>However, you should understand that an idea is not enough, you must have 
>>sufficient sociological mass to pull it off.  Neither you nor I are in 
>>that position at this time.   Most people will be hostile to you if you 
>>propose an idea that you lack the sociological position to effectuate.....
>>    
>>
>
>Makes sense. But if the idea is good, the ones that can make a
>difference will support it, assuming they analized what is being
>proposed. 
>
You are assuming they think.  They don't.  They sense herd movement. 
 This is wise of them, because unless a large portion of the herd moves 
to it, it has no value.  Thus it has no value.  Thus the herd does not move.

-- 
Hans




  reply	other threads:[~2002-07-29 13:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-26 16:09 Funding GPL projects or funding the GPL? Federico Ferreres
2002-07-26 16:15 ` Robinson Maureira Castillo
2002-07-26 19:39   ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-26 19:48     ` Robinson Maureira Castillo
2002-07-26 19:56       ` Cort Dougan
2002-07-26 20:07         ` Robinson Maureira Castillo
2002-07-26 20:53           ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-26 20:08       ` Andrew Rodland
     [not found]       ` <1027714314.906.56.camel@fede>
2002-07-26 20:15         ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-26 21:23           ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-26 16:46             ` Rob Landley
2002-07-27  0:03             ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-27  3:02               ` Gerhard Mack
2002-07-27  5:10                 ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-27  5:34                   ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-27  5:51                     ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-27  6:29                       ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-27  7:23                         ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-27 15:42                           ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-27 15:59                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-07-27 16:06                               ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-27 16:22                                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-07-27 17:46                                   ` Roger Larsson
2002-07-27 19:49                                     ` Keith Adamson
2002-07-28  1:32                                   ` Daniel Mose
2002-07-28  5:21                                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-28  5:32                                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-07-28  9:16                                       ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-28 10:35                                         ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-28 15:02                                           ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-29  7:39                                           ` Hans Reiser
2002-07-29  9:07                                             ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-29 13:11                                               ` Hans Reiser [this message]
2002-07-29 16:53                                                 ` Federico Ferreres
2002-08-01 19:16                                                   ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-29 19:47                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-07-29 20:55                                               ` Hans Reiser
2002-07-30 15:12                                               ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2002-07-30 16:26                                                 ` Jesse Pollard
2002-07-30 16:07                                               ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-30 18:22                                                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-07-30 19:11                                                   ` Gerhard Mack
2002-07-30 19:29                                                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-30 19:42                                                       ` Hans Reiser
2002-07-30 20:03                                                         ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-07-28 14:20                                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-29  7:19                                   ` Hans Reiser
     [not found]                                     ` <20020801162716.B27939@work.bitmover.com>
2002-08-02  1:15                                       ` Hans Reiser
2002-07-27 21:44                                 ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-27  7:44                         ` Federico Ferreres
     [not found]               ` <20020730222018.GA17860@elf.ucw.cz>
2002-08-02  4:29                 ` Federico Ferreres
2002-08-02  7:55                   ` Pavel Machek
2002-08-03 20:57                   ` David Schwartz
2002-08-03 22:55                     ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-27 20:10             ` Paul P Komkoff Jr
2002-07-31 20:03             ` Bill Davidsen
2002-08-01  9:32               ` David Schwartz
2002-08-01 13:48                 ` Alan Cox
2002-08-01 16:51                   ` Gerhard Mack
2002-08-01 20:17                     ` David Schwartz
2002-08-02  8:46                       ` Kai Henningsen
2002-08-03 21:04                         ` David Schwartz
2002-08-01 21:56                   ` David Schwartz
2002-08-01 18:41                 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-08-01 20:24                   ` David Schwartz
2002-08-01 20:52                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-08-01 18:42               ` Funding Linux kernel -fringe and -future devel. projects ? Daniel Mose
2002-08-01 20:26                 ` Mark Hahn
2002-07-29 11:48           ` Funding GPL projects or funding the GPL? Thunder from the hill
2002-07-26 16:42 ` Larry McVoy
2002-07-26 17:01   ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-26 17:07     ` Larry McVoy
2002-07-26 17:08       ` Cort Dougan
2002-07-26 17:18         ` Larry McVoy
2002-07-26 17:14           ` Cort Dougan
2002-07-26 20:03     ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-26 20:29       ` Jon Portnoy
2002-07-26 20:43         ` Federico Ferreres
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-07-29 11:20 Samium Gromoff
2002-07-29 18:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-07-29 17:00 Federico Ferreres
2002-07-30  6:05 Samium Gromoff

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=3D453F1F.3010701@namesys.com \
    --to=reiser@namesys.com \
    --cc=fferreres@ojf.com \
    --cc=imcol@unicyclist.com \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=lm@bitmover.com \
    --cc=lm@work.bitmover.com \
    --cc=openpatentfunds@home.se \
    --cc=riel@conectiva.com.br \
    --cc=viro@math.psu.edu \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox