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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>
To: Steven Cole <elenstev@mesatop.com>
Cc: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo@conectiva.com.br>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Linux v2.4.19-rc5
Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:12:43 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D50038B.CF1F572E@zip.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1028642837.2802.59.camel@spc9.esa.lanl.gov

Steven Cole wrote:
> 
> ...
> > If you want good dbench numbers:
> >
> > echo 70 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_background_ratio
> > echo 75 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_async_ratio
> > echo 80 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_sync_ratio
> > echo 30000 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_expire_centisecs
> 
> That last one looks like the biggest cheat.  Rather than optimizing for
> dbench, is there a set of pessimizing numbers which would optimally turn
> dbench into a semi-useful tool for measuring meaningful IO performance?
> Or is dbench really only useful for stress testing?
> 

We tend to use dbench in two modes nowadays.  One is the "RAM only"
mode, where the run completes before hitting disk at all.  That's
a very useful and repeatable test for CPU efficiency and lock contention.

The other mode is of course when there are enough clients and
enough dirty data for the test to go to disk.  As Rik says, this
tends to be subject to chaotic effects, and it is also extremely
non linear.

Because when the run slows down a little bit, it takes longer, so
more data becomes eligible for time-expiry-based writeback, which
causes more IO, which causes the run to take longer, etc, etc.

Yes, one does tend still to keep one's eye on the "heavy" dbench
throughput, but I suspect that tuning for this workload is a bad
thing overall.  This is because good dbench numbers come from
allowing a large amount of dirty data to float about in memory
(it will never get written out).  But for real workloads which
don't delete their own output 30 seconds later, we want to start
writeback earlier.  To use the disk bandwidth more smoothly
and to decrease memory allocation latency.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-08-06 16:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-08-01  6:38 Linux v2.4.19-rc5 Marcelo Tosatti
2002-08-01  7:49 ` Jens Axboe
2002-08-01  7:14   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2002-08-01  8:10     ` Jens Axboe
2002-08-01  9:02       ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-01  8:58         ` Jens Axboe
2002-08-01 14:45         ` Steven Cole
2002-08-01 18:57           ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-01 20:15     ` Steven Cole
2002-08-06  3:46       ` Bill Davidsen
2002-08-06  4:30         ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-06 14:07           ` Steven Cole
2002-08-06 14:20             ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-06 17:12             ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2002-08-06  5:42         ` Jens Axboe
2002-08-06  8:30           ` Adrian Bunk
2002-08-06  8:48             ` Jens Axboe
2002-08-06 10:31           ` Lincoln Dale
2002-08-06 12:59         ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-07  1:09           ` Bill Davidsen
2002-08-07  2:54             ` Steven Cole
2002-08-07 22:30               ` Bill Davidsen
2002-08-07 22:39                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-07 23:44                   ` Bill Davidsen
2002-08-07 23:53                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-09 17:46                       ` Bill Davidsen
2002-08-09 19:27                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-01  7:55 ` Keith Owens
2002-08-01  8:10   ` Jens Axboe
2002-08-04  6:50   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-08-01 11:32 ` Willy TARREAU
2002-08-01 13:54   ` Alan Cox
2002-08-01 12:48     ` Willy TARREAU
2002-08-01 12:12 ` Linux v2.4.19-rc5 - APM bug Willy TARREAU
2002-08-01 13:32   ` [PANIC] APM bug with -rc4 and -rc5 Willy TARREAU
2002-08-01 14:55     ` Alan Cox
2002-08-01 13:56       ` Willy Tarreau
2002-08-01 15:24         ` Willy Tarreau
2002-08-01 16:53           ` Alan Cox
2002-08-01 16:41             ` Willy Tarreau
2002-08-01 20:35             ` [PATCH] solved APM bug with -rc5 Willy TARREAU
2002-08-01 20:52               ` Richard Gooch
2002-08-01 20:54                 ` Richard Gooch
2002-08-01 21:17                   ` Willy TARREAU
2002-08-01 22:37                     ` Alan Cox
2002-08-01 20:58                 ` Dave Jones
2002-08-01 22:16               ` Alan Cox
2002-08-01 21:07                 ` Willy Tarreau
2002-08-01 21:47                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-02  0:12                 ` [PATCH] solved APM bug with -rc5 (take 2) Willy TARREAU
2002-08-02  1:47 ` [PATCH] pdc20265 problem Nick Orlov
2002-08-02  2:29   ` Nick Orlov
2002-08-02 12:27   ` Alan Cox
2002-08-02 12:52     ` Nick Orlov
2002-08-02 14:00       ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2002-08-02 14:45         ` Nick Orlov
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-08-06  4:36 Linux v2.4.19-rc5 rwhron
2002-08-07  3:00 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-08-06 20:12 Peter Wong

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