Idle curiosity: Acting as a SCSI target

Idle curiosity: Acting as a SCSI target

[Eli Carter]

Based on a conversation I had recently, my curiosity got piqued...

I'm not really sure how to query google on this, and didn't turn up what 
I was looking for because of that, so here's the random question:

Is there a way to make a Linux machine with a scsi controller act like a 
scsi device (is the correct term 'target'?) (such as a disk) using a 
local block device as storage?

I'm not sure it would be of general use, but I can see uses in weird or 
remote prototyping situations...

Like the subject says, just idle curiosity; I don't see having much use 
for it, but I was intrigued by the idea.

Eli
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Re: Idle curiosity: Acting as a SCSI target

[Oliver Xymoron]

On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Eli Carter wrote:

> Based on a conversation I had recently, my curiosity got piqued...
>
> I'm not really sure how to query google on this, and didn't turn up what
> I was looking for because of that, so here's the random question:
>
> Is there a way to make a Linux machine with a scsi controller act like a
> scsi device (is the correct term 'target'?) (such as a disk) using a
> local block device as storage?

No, not in the stock kernel.

However, if you look up stuff having to do with IP over SCSI (old) or SCSI
over IP (new), you will find quite a number of the pieces needed for this.

> I'm not sure it would be of general use, but I can see uses in weird or
> remote prototyping situations...

You're not thinking hard enough. Try this: embedded Linux taking whatever
form or number of disks together with software RAID _and_ volume
management / snapshot capability and whatever other intelligence you want
and presenting it to hosts as an arbitrary number of generic SCSI / FC /
iSCSI disks.

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Re: Idle curiosity: Acting as a SCSI target

[Joshua MacDonald]

On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 04:38:31PM -0500, Eli Carter wrote:
> Based on a conversation I had recently, my curiosity got piqued...
> 
> I'm not really sure how to query google on this, and didn't turn up what 
> I was looking for because of that, so here's the random question:
> 
> Is there a way to make a Linux machine with a scsi controller act like a 
> scsi device (is the correct term 'target'?) (such as a disk) using a 
> local block device as storage?
> 
> I'm not sure it would be of general use, but I can see uses in weird or 
> remote prototyping situations...
> 
> Like the subject says, just idle curiosity; I don't see having much use 
> for it, but I was intrigued by the idea.

SCSI targets are also quite useful for testing disk-failure handling in file
systems, RAID devices, and databases...

http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~abrown/papers/usenix00.pdf

-josh

Re: Idle curiosity: Acting as a SCSI target

[Jesse Pollard]

Eli Carter <eli.carter@inet.com>:
> 
> Based on a conversation I had recently, my curiosity got piqued...
> 
> I'm not really sure how to query google on this, and didn't turn up what 
> I was looking for because of that, so here's the random question:
> 
> Is there a way to make a Linux machine with a scsi controller act like a 
> scsi device (is the correct term 'target'?) (such as a disk) using a 
> local block device as storage?
> 
> I'm not sure it would be of general use, but I can see uses in weird or 
> remote prototyping situations...
> 
> Like the subject says, just idle curiosity; I don't see having much use 
> for it, but I was intrigued by the idea.

Easy answer: yes

Harder answer - It was done a couple of years ago using an Adaptec controller,
and the implementation was used for a TCP stack allowing 180-200 MB/Sec network
layer. The network was about 4 feet long I believe.

Another use for such a thing: Using Linux for implementation of a hardware
RAID layer attached via SCSI cable.

A third use: short range distributed lock manager for a distributed filesystem
or NAS with a Linux based controller. This gets interesting when you start
adding security labels to the data, preventing unauthorized access to
partitions.

Much of the same applications can be done over GigE cards now, so the desire
to standardize a SCSI implementation waned.

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Email: pollard@navo.hpc.mil

Any opinions expressed are solely my own.

Re: Idle curiosity: Acting as a SCSI target

[J.A. Magallon]

On 2002.08.07 Jesse Pollard wrote:
>Eli Carter <eli.carter@inet.com>:
>> 
>> Based on a conversation I had recently, my curiosity got piqued...
>> 
>> I'm not really sure how to query google on this, and didn't turn up what 
>> I was looking for because of that, so here's the random question:
>> 
>> Is there a way to make a Linux machine with a scsi controller act like a 
>> scsi device (is the correct term 'target'?) (such as a disk) using a 
>> local block device as storage?

Do not know about the software, but hardware allows it. Old mac laptops
were pluggable that way and one could see the other one disk. It was not
a symmetric connection, one laptop acted as disk, but worked...


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