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From: Helge Hafting <helgehaf@aitel.hist.no>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [2.6] The List, pass #2
Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:02:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D5233BC.96ABDF73@aitel.hist.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20020803034019.A140@toy.ucw.cz

Pavel Machek wrote:

> > Lots of other bootup initialization, like DHCP,
> > might move to userspace as well.  This gives a smaller
> > and safer kernel.
> 
> Why *safer*? Partition (,DHCP,..) code is ran once at boot. It is hard for
> it to harm security.

I wouldn't worry about partition detection, but network stuff
is always risky.  A "bad guy" could listen for DHCP
and try to fake a response or do a buffer overflow.

Userspace programs are supposedly easier to fix, and a
messed-up userspace isn't quite as bad as a messed up kernel
when an attacker tries to get in.  

I think kernel simplicity is the main driving factor here though.
Things that _can_ be done in userspace without major trouble
should be done in userspace.  And of course there's embedded
users who actually want to save the space currently used
by partition detection etc.  No need for that when
all your fs'es are on eprom.  No need in a diskless
workstation either.

Helge Hafting

  reply	other threads:[~2002-08-08  8:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-19  4:47 [2.6] The List, pass #2 Guillaume Boissiere
2002-07-19  5:08 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-07-19 12:41 ` mbs
2002-07-19 13:16 ` jlnance
2002-07-20  7:28 ` Bruce Harada
2002-07-28 10:47 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-07-31 17:43 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-07-31 17:58   ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-07-31 18:54     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-07-31 20:20     ` Trond Myklebust
2002-07-31 20:23       ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-07-31 20:24         ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-07-31 20:34         ` Trond Myklebust
2002-08-01  0:31           ` Alan Cox
2002-07-31 23:42             ` J. Bruce Fields
2002-08-01  9:33             ` David Schwartz
2002-08-01 13:42               ` Alan Cox
2002-08-01 15:39                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2002-07-31 22:04   ` David Lang
2002-08-01  9:33     ` Helge Hafting
2002-08-03  3:40       ` Pavel Machek
2002-08-08  9:02         ` Helge Hafting [this message]
2002-08-13  3:00           ` Bill Davidsen
2002-08-13  5:27           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-08-01  0:34   ` Neil Brown
2002-08-01  1:56 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-08-01  2:30   ` Roland Dreier
2002-08-01  3:25     ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-08-01  4:05       ` Roland Dreier
2002-08-01  5:08   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-01  6:10     ` Austin Gonyou
2002-08-05  7:29       ` Rob Landley
2002-08-01 18:45     ` Ben Greear
2002-08-01 14:12   ` Alan Cox
2002-08-09  2:30 ` Alan Cox
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-08-07 17:11 Matt_Domsch

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