From: "Martin Brulisauer" <martin@bruli.net>
To: Jesse Pollard <pollard@tomcat.admin.navo.hpc.mil>
Cc: "Linux Kernel (E-mail)" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: O_SYNC option doesn't work (2.4.18-3)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:07:15 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D525EF3.23894.928E229@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200208072048.PAA04274@tomcat.admin.navo.hpc.mil>
On 7 Aug 2002, at 15:48, Jesse Pollard wrote:
>
> There never was any such thing as "cache coherency" in NFS. And there won't
> be - the overhead is way too high. Think- to lock a section of a file,
> you first tell the local daemon. That local daemon must then contact the
> remote file server. That file server must then contact EVERY client to verify
> that a lock is not in the process of being established. And confirm that the
> locked section just hasn't yet been flushed back to the server. Then the server
> can tell the client the section is locked.
>
On VMS we call it "Distributed Lock Manager". The overhead is not
so high and it works well.
>
> What happens when one of the clients is down....
> How long do you wait to determine a client is down...
> What happens to other clients while the client holding the lock is down...
> What happens when the server goes down....
> What happens when the down client comes back up....
> What happens when the server comes back up....
> How do you request all clients to re-acquire locks... (and in what order)
>
To solve this problem you need the cluster votes/quorum technique.
> And remember... NFS is a stateless protocol. No additional information about
The only way to do it is the implementation of a real linux cluster
with it's distributed and shared disk access. NFS can never be a
replacement for a clusterd disk access.
Martin Brulisauer
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-08-08 10:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-08-07 20:48 O_SYNC option doesn't work (2.4.18-3) Jesse Pollard
2002-08-08 10:07 ` Martin Brulisauer [this message]
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2002-08-08 14:57 Gregory Giguashvili
2002-08-08 15:37 ` Daniel Forrest
2002-08-08 13:48 Jesse Pollard
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2002-08-08 7:11 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2002-08-08 8:06 ` Willy Tarreau
2002-08-08 12:36 ` Alan Cox
2002-08-07 19:30 Gregory Giguashvili
2002-08-08 13:42 ` Trond Myklebust
2002-08-07 19:24 Gregory Giguashvili
2002-08-07 19:38 ` Trond Myklebust
2002-08-07 21:55 ` Alan Cox
2002-08-07 18:54 Gregory Giguashvili
2002-08-07 18:13 ` Trond Myklebust
2002-08-07 18:39 Gregory Giguashvili
2002-08-07 17:43 ` Trond Myklebust
2002-08-07 18:15 Jesse Pollard
2002-08-07 17:31 Gregory Giguashvili
2002-08-07 17:19 ` Trond Myklebust
2002-08-07 17:24 Gregory Giguashvili
2002-08-07 16:31 ` Trond Myklebust
2002-08-07 17:17 Gregory Giguashvili
2002-08-07 16:24 ` Trond Myklebust
2002-08-07 20:20 ` Benjamin LaHaise
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