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From: Greg Banks <gnb@alphalink.com.au>
To: Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org.com>
Cc: Kai Germaschewski <kai@tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>,
	Peter Samuelson <peter@cadcamlab.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [patch] config language dep_* enhancements
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:33:16 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D587DFC.76F2C778@alphalink.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Pine.LNX.4.44.0208121959360.8911-100000@serv

Roman Zippel wrote:
> 
> Most should be fixable. The biggest problem are recursive references like
> this:
> 
> if [ OLD != y ]; then
>   tristate NEW
> fi
> if [ NEW != y ]; then
>   tristate OLD
> fi
> 
> [...]It's possible to fix this:
> 
> tristate DRV
> if [ DRV == y ]; then
>   choice OLD NEW
> fi
> if [ DRV == m ]; then
>   dep_tristate NEW DRV
>   dep_tristate OLD DRV
> fi
> 
> That should look interesting in xconfig, 

It will also give gcml2 conniptions trying to figure out a set of constraints
which will enforce the intended behaviour.  Please please don't.

If there are any loops (and I don't know of any) then the logic is broken and
needs to be fixed, not enforced through clever tricks.

> This should work quite well with config and menuconfig and maybe someone
> fixes xconfig, so a lot can be fixed within cml1, but it won't be
> necessarily nice. :) I didn't make up this example, just look at
> CONFIG_SCSI_AIC7XXX* which would need fixing like this.

I will look, but I seem to remember that this code was just broken when
Keith Owens was trying to make it work in kbuild 2.5.

> The current config is really very limited and can not be easily extended
> (just try adding the help text or build information). At some point we
> have to drop cml1 and replace it with something else. 

<sigh>once more into the breach...

> This doesn't has be
> very painful, I have a tool that can convert most of the current config
> into whatever you want.

The problem is deciding what the original rules were supposed to mean, and
then reproducing that behaviour exactly in the new language.  The alternative
is fixing the problems as we convert, but then we end up with CML2 and the
"there's no way to verify the rulebase is the same" argument.

Greg.
-- 
the price of civilisation today is a courageous willingness to prevail,
with force, if necessary, against whatever vicious and uncomprehending
enemies try to strike it down.     - Roger Sandall, The Age, 28Sep2001.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-08-13  3:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200208062329.g76NTqP30962@devserv.devel.redhat.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-08-07 10:01 ` Linux 2.4.20-pre1 Andi Kleen
2002-08-07 11:50   ` Alan Cox
2002-08-07 10:41     ` 64bit clean drivers was " Andi Kleen
2002-08-07 12:16       ` Alan Cox
2002-08-07 11:04         ` Andi Kleen
2002-08-07 11:10           ` Alan Cox
2002-08-07 11:18             ` Andi Kleen
2002-08-07 11:51               ` Alan Cox
2002-08-07 11:56                 ` Andi Kleen
2002-08-07 13:26                   ` Alan Cox
2002-08-07 16:28                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-08-08 15:14         ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-08 16:49           ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-08-08 16:47             ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-09  4:15               ` [patch] config language dep_* enhancements Peter Samuelson
2002-08-09 14:43                 ` [kbuild-devel] " Greg Banks
2002-08-09 15:38                   ` Andreas Schwab
2002-08-12 10:38                     ` Greg Banks
2002-08-09 16:10                   ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-12 11:04                     ` Greg Banks
2002-08-12 14:46                       ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-08-12 19:45                         ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-12 21:40                           ` [kbuild-devel] " Tom Rini
2002-08-12 22:13                             ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-12 22:15                               ` Tom Rini
2002-08-12 22:32                                 ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-12 22:47                                   ` Tom Rini
2002-08-12 23:17                                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-12 23:32                                       ` Tom Rini
2002-08-13  3:35                                       ` Greg Banks
2002-08-13  0:03                           ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-13  7:54                             ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-13  3:33                           ` Greg Banks [this message]
2002-08-13  9:32                             ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-13 10:32                               ` [kbuild-devel] " Greg Banks
     [not found]                         ` <3D587483.1C459694@alphalink.com.au>
2002-08-13  3:39                           ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-13  4:31                             ` Greg Banks
2002-08-13 14:00                             ` [kbuild-devel] " Greg Banks
2002-08-13 15:53                               ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-13 18:48                                 ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-08-14  1:13                                 ` Greg Banks
2002-08-14  3:28                                   ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-14  4:35                                     ` [patch] kernel config 3/N - move sound into drivers/media Peter Samuelson
2002-08-14  5:08                                       ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-08-14  5:49                                         ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-14 10:56                                           ` [kbuild-devel] " Arnd Bergmann
2002-08-14 12:20                                             ` S390 vs S390x, was " Christoph Hellwig
2002-08-14 17:21                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2002-08-14 18:16                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-08-14 21:18                                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2002-08-14 19:22                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-08-14 22:52                                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2002-08-14  6:14                                         ` Greg Banks
2002-08-14  6:31                                       ` Greg Banks
2002-08-14  8:16                                       ` Russell King
2002-08-14  6:01                                     ` [kbuild-devel] Re: [patch] config language dep_* enhancements Greg Banks
2002-08-14  8:18                                       ` Russell King
2002-08-14 14:22                                       ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-15  1:28                                         ` Greg Banks
2002-08-15  2:33                                           ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-15  3:27                                             ` Greg Banks
2002-08-13 18:43                           ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-08-13 20:48                             ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-14  1:27                               ` Greg Banks
2002-08-14  1:42                                 ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-14  2:27                                   ` Greg Banks
2002-08-14  2:57                                     ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-14  4:39                                     ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-08-14  5:35                                       ` Greg Banks
2002-08-14 11:40                               ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-15  1:52                                 ` [kbuild-devel] " Greg Banks
2002-08-15  3:30                                   ` John Alvord
2002-08-16  2:24                                     ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-15  9:46                                   ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-15 14:43                                     ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-08-15 20:12                                       ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-16  2:08                                     ` Greg Banks
2002-08-16 10:54                                       ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-19  9:27                                         ` Greg Banks
2002-08-19 10:20                                           ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-20 14:10                                             ` Greg Banks
2002-08-20 17:51                                               ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-19 20:30                                           ` Sam Ravnborg
2002-08-20 14:28                                             ` David Woodhouse
2002-08-23 15:18                                           ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-08-23 23:03                                             ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-24 12:43                                               ` Greg Banks
2002-08-14  1:19                             ` Greg Banks
2002-08-12 15:47                       ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-13  3:23                         ` [kbuild-devel] " Greg Banks
2002-08-13 16:04                           ` Sam Ravnborg
2002-08-13 16:20                             ` [kbuild-devel] " Peter Samuelson
2002-08-14  0:22                             ` Greg Banks
2002-08-14 20:14                               ` Get rid of shell based Config.in parsers? Sam Ravnborg
2002-08-14 22:21                                 ` [kbuild-devel] " Peter Samuelson
2002-08-15 17:51                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-08 23:57             ` 64bit clean drivers was Re: Linux 2.4.20-pre1 Thunder from the hill
2002-08-08 19:23           ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-08 20:03             ` Andi Kleen
2002-08-08 20:19               ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-08 17:42                 ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-09 10:21                   ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-09 11:47                     ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-09 12:07                       ` Russell King
2002-08-09 12:49                         ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-09 14:53                           ` [kbuild-devel] " Greg Banks
2002-08-09 22:37                             ` Thunder from the hill
2002-08-08 20:37                 ` Andi Kleen
2002-08-08 20:51                   ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-07 17:31       ` Thunder from the hill

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