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From: Greg Banks <gnb@alphalink.com.au>
To: Peter Samuelson <peter@cadcamlab.org>
Cc: Kai Germaschewski <kai@tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [patch] config language dep_* enhancements
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:31:19 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D588B97.A5514DAC@alphalink.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20020813033951.GF761@cadcamlab.org

Peter Samuelson wrote:
> 
> [Greg Banks]
> > Ah, glad you asked, see attached output from the latest version of gcml2
> > (not yet released).
> 
> Thank you thank you thank you!  Exactly what I wanted!

Pleased to be of service ;-)

> Now, while some (perhaps a lot) of these instances will break with the
> proposed new semantics, many will not.  Starting from the top:
> 
> > =====alpha
> > warning:drivers/pcmcia/Config.in:22:forward declared symbol "CONFIG_ARCH_SA1100" used in dependency list for "CONFIG_PCMCIA_SA1100"
> 
> In context:
> 
>    if [ "$CONFIG_ARM" = "y" ]; then
>       dep_tristate '  SA1100 support' CONFIG_PCMCIA_SA1100 $CONFIG_ARCH_SA1100 $CONFIG_PCMCIA
>    fi
> 
> With the new semantics, there would be no need for the 'if' statement.
> CONFIG_ARCH_SA1100 is a sufficient guard, since non-ARM machines will
> never define it.

Agreed, the current form is a direct result of the current dep_tristate
semantics and would not be necessary with your proposed semantics.

> > warning:drivers/block/Config.in:38:forward declared symbol "CONFIG_SCSI" used in dependency list for "CONFIG_CISS_SCSI_TAPE"
> 
> This one is legit.  It's a weird case where a single driver can be
> built with or without using the SCSI subsystem - in effect, two
> drivers sharing a single piece of hardware and presenting two views of
> it.

Bizarre.

> My preferred "fix" is to move the 'tristate CONFIG_SCSI' to early in
> the Block Devices menu.  ATA should be under Block Devices too, come
> to think of it, and perhaps a generic guard for non-IDE-non-SCSI RAID
> cards.  The actual menus could come later under toplevel, or be nested
> within "Block Devices".

Along these lines, CML2 had a menu 'buses' very early in the root of
the tree, containing queries for ISA, PCI, MCA, SERIAL, PARPORT,
HOTPLUG, IDE, SCSI, USB, IEEE1394 and FC4.  I won't post the code
here because I can't fully understand it anymore :-(

> All in all, by asserting that 'n' == '', you can drop all the
> 'define_bool FOO n' from the arch/*/config.in files (like CONFIG_SBUS
> on i386 or CONFIG_PCI on s390), and you can drop a *lot* of guard 'if'
> statements.  A few things would actually break, like not defining
> CONFIG_SCSI soon enough.

You will also probably want to deal with the cases where possibly null-valued
symbols are compared against "n" like this

if [ "$CONFIG_NOT_DECLARED" != "n" ]; then....

73     forward-compared-to-n
    13     drivers/parport/Config.in:40:CONFIG_ZORRO
    13     sound/oss/Config.in:209:CONFIG_INPUT_GAMEPORT
    11     drivers/parport/Config.in:14:CONFIG_SERIAL
    10     drivers/media/video/Config.in:33:CONFIG_USB
    6      drivers/video/Config.in:134:CONFIG_I2C
    3      drivers/net/Config.in:324:CONFIG_CARDBUS
    3      drivers/scsi/Config.in:264:CONFIG_PCMCIA
    2      drivers/char/Config.in:193:CONFIG_PCMCIA
    2      drivers/net/Config.in:327:CONFIG_PCMCIA
    2      drivers/net/wireless/Config.in:27:CONFIG_PCMCIA
    2      drivers/net/wireless/Config.in:41:CONFIG_PCMCIA
    2      drivers/scsi/Config.in:116:CONFIG_PARPORT
    1      arch/alpha/config.in:262:CONFIG_PROC_FS
    1      arch/sh/config.in:298:CONFIG_MAPLE
    1      drivers/ide/Config.in:26:CONFIG_PCI
    1      drivers/parport/Config.in:27:CONFIG_PCMCIA

> I think it's worth it.  It will take some time to go through your 260
> unique warnings (984 total), of course.

;-)

> BTW - speaking of the length of your warnings list - what would be
> *really* nice would be a way to determine that a particular "forward
> declared symbol" is actually a "never-in-this-arch declared symbol".
> That would eliminate most of the false positives.  If for example we
> can determine that we will never define CONFIG_ZORRO on this arch, we
> can safely assume that anything which depends on CONFIG_ZORRO *should*
> be suppressed. 

Shouldn't be too hard, I'm already doing something like this to distinguish
between forward declared and undeclared symbols for the forward-reference
and undeclared-symbol warnings.

Greg.
-- 
the price of civilisation today is a courageous willingness to prevail,
with force, if necessary, against whatever vicious and uncomprehending
enemies try to strike it down.     - Roger Sandall, The Age, 28Sep2001.

  reply	other threads:[~2002-08-13  4:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200208062329.g76NTqP30962@devserv.devel.redhat.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-08-07 10:01 ` Linux 2.4.20-pre1 Andi Kleen
2002-08-07 11:50   ` Alan Cox
2002-08-07 10:41     ` 64bit clean drivers was " Andi Kleen
2002-08-07 12:16       ` Alan Cox
2002-08-07 11:04         ` Andi Kleen
2002-08-07 11:10           ` Alan Cox
2002-08-07 11:18             ` Andi Kleen
2002-08-07 11:51               ` Alan Cox
2002-08-07 11:56                 ` Andi Kleen
2002-08-07 13:26                   ` Alan Cox
2002-08-07 16:28                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-08-08 15:14         ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-08 16:49           ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-08-08 16:47             ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-09  4:15               ` [patch] config language dep_* enhancements Peter Samuelson
2002-08-09 14:43                 ` [kbuild-devel] " Greg Banks
2002-08-09 15:38                   ` Andreas Schwab
2002-08-12 10:38                     ` Greg Banks
2002-08-09 16:10                   ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-12 11:04                     ` Greg Banks
2002-08-12 14:46                       ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-08-12 19:45                         ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-12 21:40                           ` [kbuild-devel] " Tom Rini
2002-08-12 22:13                             ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-12 22:15                               ` Tom Rini
2002-08-12 22:32                                 ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-12 22:47                                   ` Tom Rini
2002-08-12 23:17                                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-12 23:32                                       ` Tom Rini
2002-08-13  3:35                                       ` Greg Banks
2002-08-13  0:03                           ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-13  7:54                             ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-13  3:33                           ` Greg Banks
2002-08-13  9:32                             ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-13 10:32                               ` [kbuild-devel] " Greg Banks
     [not found]                         ` <3D587483.1C459694@alphalink.com.au>
2002-08-13  3:39                           ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-13  4:31                             ` Greg Banks [this message]
2002-08-13 14:00                             ` [kbuild-devel] " Greg Banks
2002-08-13 15:53                               ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-13 18:48                                 ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-08-14  1:13                                 ` Greg Banks
2002-08-14  3:28                                   ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-14  4:35                                     ` [patch] kernel config 3/N - move sound into drivers/media Peter Samuelson
2002-08-14  5:08                                       ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-08-14  5:49                                         ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-14 10:56                                           ` [kbuild-devel] " Arnd Bergmann
2002-08-14 12:20                                             ` S390 vs S390x, was " Christoph Hellwig
2002-08-14 17:21                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2002-08-14 18:16                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-08-14 21:18                                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2002-08-14 19:22                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-08-14 22:52                                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2002-08-14  6:14                                         ` Greg Banks
2002-08-14  6:31                                       ` Greg Banks
2002-08-14  8:16                                       ` Russell King
2002-08-14  6:01                                     ` [kbuild-devel] Re: [patch] config language dep_* enhancements Greg Banks
2002-08-14  8:18                                       ` Russell King
2002-08-14 14:22                                       ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-15  1:28                                         ` Greg Banks
2002-08-15  2:33                                           ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-15  3:27                                             ` Greg Banks
2002-08-13 18:43                           ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-08-13 20:48                             ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-14  1:27                               ` Greg Banks
2002-08-14  1:42                                 ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-14  2:27                                   ` Greg Banks
2002-08-14  2:57                                     ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-14  4:39                                     ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-08-14  5:35                                       ` Greg Banks
2002-08-14 11:40                               ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-15  1:52                                 ` [kbuild-devel] " Greg Banks
2002-08-15  3:30                                   ` John Alvord
2002-08-16  2:24                                     ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-15  9:46                                   ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-15 14:43                                     ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-08-15 20:12                                       ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-16  2:08                                     ` Greg Banks
2002-08-16 10:54                                       ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-19  9:27                                         ` Greg Banks
2002-08-19 10:20                                           ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-20 14:10                                             ` Greg Banks
2002-08-20 17:51                                               ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-19 20:30                                           ` Sam Ravnborg
2002-08-20 14:28                                             ` David Woodhouse
2002-08-23 15:18                                           ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-08-23 23:03                                             ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-24 12:43                                               ` Greg Banks
2002-08-14  1:19                             ` Greg Banks
2002-08-12 15:47                       ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-13  3:23                         ` [kbuild-devel] " Greg Banks
2002-08-13 16:04                           ` Sam Ravnborg
2002-08-13 16:20                             ` [kbuild-devel] " Peter Samuelson
2002-08-14  0:22                             ` Greg Banks
2002-08-14 20:14                               ` Get rid of shell based Config.in parsers? Sam Ravnborg
2002-08-14 22:21                                 ` [kbuild-devel] " Peter Samuelson
2002-08-15 17:51                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-08 23:57             ` 64bit clean drivers was Re: Linux 2.4.20-pre1 Thunder from the hill
2002-08-08 19:23           ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-08 20:03             ` Andi Kleen
2002-08-08 20:19               ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-08 17:42                 ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-09 10:21                   ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-09 11:47                     ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-09 12:07                       ` Russell King
2002-08-09 12:49                         ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-09 14:53                           ` [kbuild-devel] " Greg Banks
2002-08-09 22:37                             ` Thunder from the hill
2002-08-08 20:37                 ` Andi Kleen
2002-08-08 20:51                   ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-07 17:31       ` Thunder from the hill

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