From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: "Gustafson, Geoffrey R" <geoffrey.r.gustafson@intel.com>,
"'Andy Pfiffer'" <andyp@osdl.org>,
cgl_discussion@osdl.org, "Rhoads, Rob" <rob.rhoads@intel.com>,
hardeneddrivers-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Hardeneddrivers-discuss] RE: [cgl_discussion] Some Initial Comments on DDH-Spec-0.5h.pdf
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 03:01:14 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D900DBA.6080400@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: m1k7lbkicd.fsf@frodo.biederman.org
Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Oh, and don't forget that the hardware specification that drivers are
> written to, many times are not generally available greatly reducing
> the pool of capable people who have the opportunity to review the and
> debug the drivers. I would make it a requirement for a hardened
> driver that both the code and the hardware documentation be publicly
> available so the code can easily be reviewed by as many people as wish
> to.
This is a good point that bears highlighting. Donald Becker's [and thus
the kernel's] eepro100.c had certain bugs for years, simply because
access to Intel E100 hardware docs was damn near impossible to obtain.
I don't see driver hardening being very feasible on such drivers, where
the vendor refuses to allow kernel engineers access needed to get their
hardware working and stable. [why vendors want crappy Linux support,
I'll never know]
Jeff
P.S. In all fairness, Intel is doing a really good job maintaining the
e100 and e1000 drivers nowadays, and e100 docs should be public very
soon. [e1000 docs? who knows...]
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-09-24 6:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2002-09-24 1:41 ` [Hardeneddrivers-discuss] RE: [cgl_discussion] Some Initial Comments on DDH-Spec-0.5h.pdf Jeff Garzik
2002-09-24 6:33 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-09-24 7:01 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2002-09-25 3:54 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-09-25 7:12 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-09-30 6:40 ` Pavel Machek
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