From: george anzinger <george@mvista.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>,
giduru@yahoo.com, Andre Hedrick <andre@linux-ide.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: The end of embedded Linux?
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 11:50:02 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3DA085DA.A775CDC9@mvista.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1033923206.21282.28.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk
Alan Cox wrote:
>
> On Sun, 2002-10-06 at 05:28, David S. Miller wrote:
> > Embedded applications tend to have issues which are entirely specific
> > to that embedded project. As such, those are things that do not
> > belong in a general purpose OS.
>
> 90% of the embedded Linux problem is not this. Its actually easy to get
> most of the embedded needs into the base kernel - in fact they overlap
> the other worlds a lot.
>
> Need low power consumption/resource usage - thats S/390 mainframe
> instances and ibm wristwatches.
>
> Need good cpu control - thats desktop/laptop and embedded
>
> Need good irq behaviour (pre-empt/low latency) - thats desktop/embedded
>
> and it carries on like that.
>
> No the big problem is that each embedded vendor is desperately trying to
> keep their changes out of the mainstream so they can screw each other.
> In doing so the main people they screw are all their customers.
>
> So if the embedded people want 2.6 to be good at embedded they need to
> get their heads out of their arses and contribute to the mainstream.
> Otherwise they'll always be chasing a moving ball, and a ball most
> people are kicking the other way down the field. Its a simple fact of
> line, if you stick you head up your backside all you get to do is eat
> shit
>
> (and yes there are some embedded people who do contribute but they are
> sadly a real minority)
Uh, thanks, I think.
-g
>
> Alan
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-10-06 18:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-10-05 19:36 The end of embedded Linux? Gigi Duru
2002-10-05 19:46 ` Francois Romieu
2002-10-05 19:49 ` Ben Greear
2002-10-05 19:53 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-05 20:52 ` Gigi Duru
2002-10-05 20:58 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-06 1:54 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-07 23:28 ` Gigi Duru
2002-10-06 0:46 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 1:52 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-06 20:20 ` Gigi Duru
2002-10-07 2:01 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-06 4:28 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 16:53 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 18:50 ` george anzinger [this message]
2002-10-07 10:06 ` simon
2002-10-07 10:36 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-07 11:57 ` Russell King
2002-10-07 12:10 ` Abraham vd Merwe
2002-10-07 14:12 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 16:05 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 16:02 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-07 16:20 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-07 16:38 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 16:53 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-07 17:45 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 18:11 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-07 18:54 ` george anzinger
2002-10-07 19:11 ` Russell King
2002-10-07 20:05 ` Ben Greear
2002-10-12 10:08 ` Richard Zidlicky
2002-10-14 12:26 ` Richard Zidlicky
2002-10-07 17:15 ` simon
2002-10-07 17:24 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-07 20:22 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 22:22 ` Christer Weinigel
2002-10-07 22:52 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 22:56 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-09 11:19 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-10-08 10:11 ` simon
2002-10-08 11:11 ` jbradford
2002-10-08 11:53 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-08 12:09 ` jbradford
2002-10-08 11:25 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-08 11:25 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-08 20:04 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 22:53 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-08 22:38 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 11:27 ` jw schultz
2002-10-09 7:37 ` Alexander Kellett
2002-10-09 11:49 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-09 11:53 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-09 19:17 ` jbradford
2002-10-09 23:49 ` jw schultz
2002-10-13 16:30 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-09 12:42 ` Ian Molton
2002-10-10 4:47 ` Shane Nay
2002-10-08 15:52 ` David Lang
2002-10-09 10:53 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-07 10:55 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-07 17:20 ` simon
2002-10-07 22:59 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-07 23:18 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 16:15 ` Matt Porter
2002-10-07 16:22 ` Matt Porter
2002-10-07 16:41 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-07 21:56 ` Gigi Duru
2002-10-07 19:44 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-08 13:22 ` Thomas Molina
2002-10-08 16:34 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-07 23:20 ` Matt Porter
2002-10-07 19:50 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-08 15:04 ` Matt Porter
2002-10-08 16:52 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-09 11:38 ` Adrian Bunk
2002-10-09 12:15 ` [patch] show Fusion MPT dialog only when CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD is set Adrian Bunk
2002-10-09 19:55 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-09 19:54 ` [PATCH]: Move Fusion MPT config menu into scsi driver support (was Re: The end of embedded Linux?) Rob Landley
2002-10-07 23:01 ` The end of embedded Linux? Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-07 23:23 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 23:47 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-08 0:06 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-08 1:23 ` Xcytame@yahoo.es
2002-10-06 13:02 ` Ian Molton
2002-10-05 19:53 ` jbradford
2002-10-05 22:23 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-10-05 23:28 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-06 1:57 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-12 4:01 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-12 4:09 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-10-06 0:36 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 0:41 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-10-06 0:50 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-10-06 1:00 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-10-06 0:44 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-10-06 22:24 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-06 22:54 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-10-07 1:33 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-07 22:25 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-07 9:10 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0210061854190.24860-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>
2002-10-07 5:38 ` Gigi Duru
2002-10-07 5:42 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 6:06 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-07 12:04 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-07 12:00 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-07 12:32 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-07 12:29 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-07 13:06 ` Dana Lacoste
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-10-07 20:04 Hell.Surfers
2002-10-07 23:01 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 0:10 ` jw schultz
2002-10-08 9:36 Hell.Surfers
2002-10-08 9:51 Hell.Surfers
2002-10-08 20:00 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 12:05 Hicks, Jamey
2002-10-12 20:45 Hell.Surfers
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