From: Andreas Steinmetz <ast@domdv.de>
To: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
Cc: greg@kroah.com, hch@infradead.org, torvalds@transmeta.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] remove sys_security
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 00:51:29 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3DAF3EF1.50500@domdv.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20021017.131830.27803403.davem@redhat.com
David S. Miller wrote:
> The more I look at LSM the more and more I dislike it, it sticks it's
> fingers everywhere. Who is going to use this stuff? %99.999 of users
> will never load a security module, and the distribution makers are
> going to enable this NOP overhead for _everyone_ just so a few telcos
> or government installations can get their LSM bits?
>
I'm going to ignore the overhead stated above here. And please take the
following as a comment/personal opinion you may as well ignore. But I'm
somewhat irritated, so:
<sarcasm>
So users are dumb in general, why not apply the "Single user linux"
patch? If you don't remember: http://www.surriel.com/potm/apr2001.shtml
</sarcasm>
Honestly, if you don't offer a patchless option to tighter security you
can't estimate usage.
Given that LSM becomes a standard part of the kernel it would be easy
for distros to offer "trusted" installations based on LSM. And in this
case advanced security will spread.
> This doesn't make any sense to me, including LSM appears to be quite
> against one of the basic maxims of Linux kernel ideology if you ask me
> :-) (said maxim is: If %99 of users won't use it, they better not
> even notice it is there or be affected by it in any way)
For the next few years 99% of the linux users won't use GBit ethernet,
so why don't you remove these drivers from the kernel?
If things should be only added to the kernel if there's already
sufficient users my opinion is that development would come to a grinding
halt.
--
Andreas Steinmetz
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-10-17 22:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-10-17 18:50 [PATCH] remove sys_security Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 18:53 ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 18:58 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 19:07 ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 20:04 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 20:10 ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 20:12 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-18 7:04 ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18 7:07 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-18 8:31 ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18 8:29 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-18 12:52 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-18 15:04 ` Greg KH
2002-10-19 2:05 ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18 7:11 ` Greg KH
2002-10-18 7:28 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-18 9:02 ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18 13:05 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-18 15:14 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2002-10-18 15:18 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-18 16:30 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-18 16:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-18 16:53 ` Greg KH
2002-10-18 16:54 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-18 17:15 ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-18 22:36 ` Chris Wright
2002-10-21 13:54 ` Mike Wray
2002-10-21 14:09 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-21 16:44 ` Mike Wray
2002-10-21 17:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-18 20:36 ` David Wagner
2002-10-18 17:44 ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-18 16:38 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-18 16:52 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-18 9:09 ` David Wagner
2002-10-18 10:14 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-18 12:50 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 20:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-17 21:00 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-17 21:10 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-17 21:37 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-17 21:49 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-17 22:14 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-17 22:22 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-10-23 0:35 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-10-23 11:43 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-23 11:59 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-10-23 14:27 ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-23 14:54 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-10-23 16:09 ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-23 16:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-23 16:34 ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-23 16:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-23 16:51 ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-24 6:26 ` Nathan Scott
2002-10-24 8:45 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-17 20:45 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-21 13:57 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-21 21:12 ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-21 21:17 ` Greg KH
2002-10-22 12:22 ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-17 20:20 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-17 20:27 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 20:28 ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 19:05 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-17 20:18 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 20:36 ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 20:38 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 20:58 ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 20:58 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 22:09 ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 22:07 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 22:19 ` Greg KH
2002-10-18 8:00 ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18 7:57 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-18 13:08 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 21:54 ` David Wagner
2002-10-17 22:36 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 23:04 ` Chris Wright
2002-10-17 23:08 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-18 14:24 ` Jakob Oestergaard
2002-10-17 22:51 ` Andreas Steinmetz [this message]
2002-10-17 22:51 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-18 17:47 ` Daniel Egger
2002-10-17 23:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-17 22:56 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 23:09 ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 23:10 ` Chris Wright
2002-10-17 23:10 ` Andreas Steinmetz
2002-10-18 13:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 23:11 ` Greg KH
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2002-10-18 9:25 ` Andi Kleen
2002-10-18 9:36 ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18 9:44 ` Andi Kleen
2002-10-18 9:55 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-18 10:13 ` Andi Kleen
2002-10-18 17:24 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-18 11:43 ` Andreas Ferber
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2002-10-23 16:33 ` Andi Kleen
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