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From: Crispin Cowan <crispin@wirex.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-security-module@wirex.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] remove sys_security
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:12:50 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3DB46DD2.8030007@wirex.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1035208643.27309.109.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk

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Alan Cox wrote:

>On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 21:10, Greg KH wrote:
>  
>
>>Ok, I think it's time for someone who actually cares about the security
>>syscall to step up here to try to defend the existing interface.  I'm
>>pretty sure Ericsson, HP, SELinux, and WireX all use this, so they need
>>to be the ones defending it.
>>    
>>
>The existing interface is basically the one Linus asked for, although
>perhaps with a little less thought on the structure side than it would
>have benefitted
>
The intent behind the syscall interface was that it needed to be generic 
enough to support the 50+ syscalls that SELinux wants, and also be 
generic enough to support potential modules that have not been invented 
yet. That's why it is a MUX, and why the signature definition is enough 
to deal with stacked modules and then pass a generic argv list to the 
module itself.

Unfortunately, this design goal (highly generic interface) is 
incompatible with the 32/64 bit transparancy layer that several 
supported architectures need. As Christoph says, this is unfixable. 
IMHO, it is unfixable because of conflicting design goals: you cannot 
have a truly generic syscall interface and hope for it to port clean 
from 32 bits to 64 bits.

Therefore, the sys_security syscall has been removed. LSM-aware 
applications that want to talk to security modules can do so through a 
file system interface. This will work for WireX, and Smalley says it 
will work for SELinux. I hope it will work for others.

Again, my thanks for eveyone's help in cleaning up this issue, and my 
apologies to anyone I may have offended. We should have thought about 
the 32/64 bit issue when we defined that interface. Kudos to Greg K-H, 
who told me that this syscall would be a problem.

Thanks,
    Crispin

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  reply	other threads:[~2002-10-21 21:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-10-17 18:50 [PATCH] remove sys_security Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 18:53 ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 18:58   ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 19:07     ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 20:04       ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 20:10         ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 20:12           ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-18  7:04             ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18  7:07               ` David S. Miller
2002-10-18  8:31                 ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18  8:29                   ` David S. Miller
2002-10-18 12:52                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-18 15:04                     ` Greg KH
2002-10-19  2:05                       ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18  7:11               ` Greg KH
2002-10-18  7:28               ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-18  9:02                 ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18 13:05                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-18 15:14                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2002-10-18 15:18                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-18 16:30                         ` Russell Coker
2002-10-18 16:33                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-18 16:53                             ` Greg KH
2002-10-18 16:54                             ` Russell Coker
2002-10-18 17:15                             ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-18 22:36                               ` Chris Wright
2002-10-21 13:54                               ` Mike Wray
2002-10-21 14:09                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-21 16:44                                   ` Mike Wray
2002-10-21 17:36                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-18 20:36                             ` David Wagner
2002-10-18 17:44                           ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-18 16:38                       ` Russell Coker
2002-10-18 16:52                         ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-18  9:09                 ` David Wagner
2002-10-18 10:14                 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-18 12:50               ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 20:30           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-17 21:00             ` Russell Coker
2002-10-17 21:10               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-17 21:37                 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-17 21:49                   ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-17 22:14                     ` Russell Coker
2002-10-17 22:22                       ` Andreas Dilger
2002-10-23  0:35                       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-10-23 11:43                         ` Russell Coker
2002-10-23 11:59                           ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-10-23 14:27                             ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-23 14:54                               ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-10-23 16:09                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-23 16:24                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-23 16:34                                     ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-23 16:36                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-23 16:51                                         ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-24  6:26                                           ` Nathan Scott
2002-10-24  8:45                                             ` Russell Coker
2002-10-17 20:45           ` Russell Coker
2002-10-21 13:57           ` Alan Cox
2002-10-21 21:12             ` Crispin Cowan [this message]
2002-10-21 21:17               ` Greg KH
2002-10-22 12:22               ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-17 20:20       ` Russell Coker
2002-10-17 20:27         ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 20:28         ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 19:05   ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-17 20:18   ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 20:36     ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 20:38       ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 20:58         ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 20:58           ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 22:09             ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 22:07               ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 22:19                 ` Greg KH
2002-10-18  8:00             ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18  7:57               ` David S. Miller
2002-10-18 13:08               ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 21:54     ` David Wagner
2002-10-17 22:36       ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 23:04         ` Chris Wright
2002-10-17 23:08           ` David S. Miller
2002-10-18 14:24             ` Jakob Oestergaard
2002-10-17 22:51     ` Andreas Steinmetz
2002-10-17 22:51       ` David S. Miller
2002-10-18 17:47         ` Daniel Egger
2002-10-17 23:00       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-17 22:56         ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 23:09           ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 23:10             ` Chris Wright
2002-10-17 23:10           ` Andreas Steinmetz
2002-10-18 13:11             ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 23:11         ` Greg KH
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     [not found] ` <20021017211223.A8095@infradead.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]   ` <3DAFB260.5000206@wirex.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]     ` <20021018.000738.05626464.davem@redhat.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]       ` <3DAFC6E7.9000302@wirex.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-10-18  9:25         ` Andi Kleen
2002-10-18  9:36           ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18  9:44             ` Andi Kleen
2002-10-18  9:55           ` Russell Coker
2002-10-18 10:13             ` Andi Kleen
2002-10-18 17:24             ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-18 11:43           ` Andreas Ferber
     [not found] <20021023155457.L2732@redhat.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <Pine.GSO.4.33.0210231112420.7042-100000@raven.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-10-23 16:33   ` Andi Kleen

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