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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: David.Mosberger@acm.org
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Subject: Re: [patch] remove hugetlb syscalls
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:28:32 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3DD3F960.6000501@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L.0211132239370.3817-100000@imladris.surriel.com>

David Mosberger-Tang wrote:

> But that's excactly the point.  The hugepage interface returns a
> different kind of virtual memory.  There are tons of programs out
> there using mmap().  If such a program gets fed a path to the
> hugepagefs, it might end up with huge pages without knowing anything
> about huge pages.  For the most part, that might work fine, but it
> could lead to subtle failures.


Yeah, that was one of Linus's points about the syscalls, in a private 
email.  I mentioned how the new syscalls were in poor taste, when 
existing syscalls would work fine, and he flamed me right back ;-)

One of his main points to me was exactly what you are elucidating: 
there are subtle differences between normal pages and superpages that 
are exposed to userland, and we should make that explicit [with the 
syscalls] rather than hide it [with hugetlbfs/mmap/etc.].  So I think 
this is further indication Linus has a very valid point ;-)

However, that said, I think hugetlbfs will almost always get used in 
preference to the syscalls, so leaving them in may be more a statement 
of technical correctness/cleanliness than anything else.

[tangent warning]
This whole hugetlb affair is unfortunately pretty ugly, and this thread 
is just one component of that.  All these discussions occurred off-list, 
and it's _still_ a political football.  Sigh.  I just hope that the 
furor dies down soon, that smart technical [apolitical] decisions are 
made, and future discussions are at least CC'd to lkml.

	Jeff




  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-11-14 19:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-11-13 23:45 [patch] remove hugetlb syscalls Benjamin LaHaise
2002-11-14  0:42 ` Rik van Riel
2002-11-14  8:52   ` dada1
2002-11-14 14:13     ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]       ` <ugel9oa vk4.fsf@panda.mostang.com>
2002-11-14 15:13       ` dada1
2002-11-14 15:31         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-11-14 15:38           ` dada1
2002-11-14 20:11           ` Rohit Seth
2002-11-14 20:36             ` William Lee Irwin III
     [not found]           ` <3DD3FED2.2010901@unix-os.sc.intel.com>
2002-11-14 20:01             ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-11-14 21:06             ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-11-14 17:51       ` David Mosberger-Tang
2002-11-14 18:31         ` Alan Cox
2002-11-14 18:53           ` David Mosberger-Tang
2002-11-14 19:52             ` Alan Cox
2002-11-14 20:14               ` Alan Cox
2002-11-16 18:23                 ` Jan Niehusmann
2002-11-14 20:34         ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-11-14 21:31           ` David Mosberger-Tang
2002-11-14 21:38             ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-11-14 21:46               ` David Mosberger-Tang
2002-11-14 19:28   ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2002-11-14 20:15     ` Alan Cox
2002-11-16 18:00     ` Rik van Riel
2002-11-16 18:15       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-14 20:30 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-11-14 20:48   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-11-14 21:02     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-11-14 21:11       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-11-14 21:31         ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-11-14 21:40         ` Rohit Seth
2002-11-14 21:59           ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-11-14 21:06   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-11-14 21:06   ` Benjamin LaHaise
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-11-14 22:12 Seth, Rohit

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