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From: Ross Biro <rossb@google.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>,
	Dave Jones <davej@codemonkey.org.uk>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	hpa@transmeta.com
Subject: Re: Intel P6 vs P7 system call performance
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:09:03 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3DFF764F.9010702@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Pine.LNX.4.44.0212171046550.1095-100000@home.transmeta.com


It doesn't make sense to me to use a specially formatted page forced 
into user space to tell libraries how to do system calls.  Perhaps each 
executable personality in the kernel should export a special shared 
library in it's own native format that contains the necessary 
information.  That way we don't have to worry as much about code or 
values changing sizes or locations.

We would have the chicken/egg problem with how the special shared 
library gets loaded in the first place.  For that we either support a 
legacy syscall method (i.e. int 0x80 on x86) which should only be used 
by ld.so or the equivalent or magically force the library into user 
space at a known address.

    Ross


Linus Torvalds wrote:

>On 17 Dec 2002, Alan Cox wrote:
>  
>
>>Is there any reason you can't just keep the linker out of the entire
>>mess by generating
>>
>>	.byte whatever
>>	.dword 0xFFFF0000
>>
>>instead of call ?
>>    
>>
>
>Alan, the problem is that there _is_ no such instruction as a "call
>absolute".
>
>There is only a "call relative" or "call indirect-absolute". So you either
>have to indirect through memory or a register, or you have to fix up the
>call at link-time.
>
>Yeah, I know it sounds strange, but it makes sense. Absolute calls are
>actually very unusual, and using relative calls is _usually_ the right
>thing to do. It's only in cases like this that we really want to call a
>specific address.
>
>			Linus
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  reply	other threads:[~2002-12-17 19:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 304+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-12-09  8:30 Intel P6 vs P7 system call performance Mike Hayward
2002-12-09 15:40 ` erich
2002-12-09 17:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-09 19:36   ` Dave Jones
2002-12-09 19:46     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-28 20:37       ` Ville Herva
2002-12-29  2:05         ` Christian Leber
2002-12-30 18:22           ` Christian Leber
2002-12-30 21:22             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-30 11:29         ` Dave Jones
2002-12-17  0:47     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17  1:03       ` Dave Jones
2002-12-17  2:36         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17  5:55           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17  6:09             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17  6:18               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-19 14:03                 ` Shuji YAMAMURA
2002-12-17  6:19               ` GrandMasterLee
2002-12-17  6:43               ` dean gaudet
2002-12-17 16:50                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 19:11                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 21:39                   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-12-17 21:41                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 21:53                       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-12-18 23:53                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-19 22:18                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-19 22:21                     ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-19 22:23                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-19 22:26                         ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-19 22:30                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-19 22:34                             ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-19 22:36                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 19:12               ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 19:26                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-12-17 20:51                   ` Alan Cox
2002-12-17 20:16                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 20:49                 ` Alan Cox
2002-12-17 20:12                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17  9:45             ` Andre Hedrick
2002-12-17 12:40               ` Dave Jones
2002-12-17 23:18                 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-12-17 15:12               ` Alan Cox
2002-12-18 23:55                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-19 22:17                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 10:53             ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-17 11:17               ` dada1
2002-12-17 17:33                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-17 17:06               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 17:55                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-17 18:01                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 19:23                   ` Alan Cox
2002-12-17 18:48                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-17 19:19                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 19:44                       ` Alan Cox
2002-12-17 19:52                         ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-12-17 19:54                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 19:58                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  7:20                             ` Kai Henningsen
2002-12-17 18:49                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 19:09                       ` Ross Biro [this message]
2002-12-17 21:34                       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-12-17 21:36                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 21:50                           ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-12-18 23:59               ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-17 16:12             ` Hugh Dickins
2002-12-17 16:33               ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-12-17 17:47                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 16:54               ` Hugh Dickins
2002-12-17 17:07               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 17:19                 ` Matti Aarnio
2002-12-17 17:55                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 18:24                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 18:33                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-17 18:30                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-17 19:04                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 19:19                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-17 19:28                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 19:32                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 19:44                             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 19:53                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-17 20:01                             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 20:17                               ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-18  4:15                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  4:15                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  4:39                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-18  4:49                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  6:38                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18 13:17                                 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-12-18 13:40                                 ` Horst von Brand
2002-12-18 13:47                                   ` Sean Neakums
2002-12-18 14:10                                     ` Horst von Brand
2002-12-18 14:51                                       ` dada1
2002-12-18 19:12                                       ` Mark Mielke
2002-12-18 15:52                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-12-18 16:41                                   ` Dave Jones
2002-12-18 16:49                                     ` Freezing.. (was Re: Intel P6 vs P7 system call performance) Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18 16:56                                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-12-18 16:58                                       ` Dave Jones
2002-12-18 17:41                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18 18:03                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-12-18 18:09                                             ` Mike Dresser
2002-12-23 12:34                                               ` Kai Henningsen
2002-12-18 19:08                                           ` Alan Cox
2002-12-18 19:23                                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-12-18 19:30                                               ` Alan Cox
2002-12-18 19:33                                                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-12-18 19:42                                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-12-18 19:45                                                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-12-18 20:39                                                       ` John Bradford
2002-12-18 22:08                                                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-12-18 22:37                                                           ` John Bradford
2002-12-19  1:09                                                             ` Alan Cox
2002-12-19  0:37                                                               ` Russell King
2002-12-19  0:58                                                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-12-19  1:43                                                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-12-19 10:50                                                                 ` Dave Jones
2002-12-19  0:59                                                               ` John Bradford
2002-12-19 10:27                                                                 ` Dave Jones
2002-12-19  1:17                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-19  0:08                                                           ` Alan Cox
2002-12-19  0:53                                                             ` John Bradford
2002-12-19 13:17                                                           ` Stephen Satchell
2002-12-19  5:34                                             ` Timothy D. Witham
2002-12-19  6:43                                               ` Andrew Morton
2002-12-19  5:45                                                 ` Timothy D. Witham
2002-12-19  7:05                                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-12-19  6:08                                                 ` Timothy D. Witham
2002-12-18 19:50                                           ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-12-18 17:06                                       ` Eli Carter
2002-12-18 17:08                                       ` Andrew Morton
2002-12-18 18:25                                       ` John Alvord
2002-12-18 18:41                                     ` Intel P6 vs P7 system call performance Horst von Brand
2002-12-17 19:26                       ` Alan Cox
2002-12-17 18:57                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-17 19:10                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 19:21                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 19:37                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 19:43                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 20:07                                   ` Matti Aarnio
2002-12-17 20:10                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 19:59                                 ` Matti Aarnio
2002-12-17 20:06                                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-17 20:35                                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-12-18  0:20                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  0:38                                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-18  7:41                                 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-12-18 13:00                                 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-12-17 19:47                             ` Dave Jones
2002-12-18 12:57                             ` Rogier Wolff
2002-12-19  0:14                               ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-17 21:38                           ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-12-17 21:41                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 18:39                     ` Jeff Dike
2002-12-17 19:05                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  5:34                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2002-12-18  5:38                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-18 15:50                       ` Alan Cox
2002-12-18 23:51             ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-13 15:45 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-12-13 16:49   ` Mike Hayward
2002-12-14  0:55     ` GrandMasterLee
2002-12-14  4:41       ` Mike Dresser
2002-12-14  4:53         ` Mike Dresser
2002-12-14 10:01           ` Dave Jones
2002-12-14 17:48             ` Mike Dresser
2002-12-14 18:36             ` GrandMasterLee
2002-12-15  2:03               ` J.A. Magallon
2002-12-15 21:59   ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-15 22:37     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-12-15 22:43       ` Pavel Machek
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-01-10 18:08 Gabriel Paubert
2002-12-30 13:06 Manfred Spraul
2002-12-30 14:54 ` Andi Kleen
2002-12-22 15:45 Nakajima, Jun
2002-12-22 12:33 Mikael Pettersson
2002-12-22 16:00 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-19 18:46 billyrose
2002-12-19 16:10 billyrose
2002-12-19 15:20 bart
2002-12-19 14:57 bart
2002-12-19 14:40 billyrose
2002-12-19 15:11 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-12-19 13:55 bart
2002-12-19 19:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-19 22:10   ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-19 22:16     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-19 22:22     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-19 22:26       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-19 22:49         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-19 23:30           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-22 11:08       ` James H. Cloos Jr.
2002-12-22 18:49         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-22 19:07           ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-22 19:34             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-22 19:51               ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-22 20:50                 ` James H. Cloos Jr.
2002-12-22 20:56                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-22 19:17           ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-20 10:08   ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-20 12:06     ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-20 16:47       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-20 23:38         ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-20 23:50           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-21  0:09           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-21 17:18             ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-21 19:39               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-22  2:18                 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-22  3:11                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-22 10:13                     ` Ingo Molnar
2002-12-22 15:32                       ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-22 18:53                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-23  5:03                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-23  7:14                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-23 23:27                           ` Petr Vandrovec
2002-12-24  0:22                             ` Stephen Rothwell
2002-12-24  4:10                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-24  8:05                                 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-12-24 18:51                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-24 21:10                                     ` Rogier Wolff
2002-12-27 16:14                                 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-12-24 19:36                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-24 20:20                         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-12-24 20:27                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-24 20:31                         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-12-24 20:39                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-28  2:05                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-28  2:04                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-26  7:47                         ` Pavel Machek
2003-01-10 11:30                         ` Gabriel Paubert
2003-01-10 17:11                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-22 10:23                     ` Ingo Molnar
2002-12-19 13:22 bart
2002-12-19 13:38 ` Dave Jones
2002-12-19 14:22   ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-19 16:56     ` Dave Jones
2002-12-19 19:29 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-18 23:51 billyrose
2002-12-19 13:10 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-12-18 12:55 Terje Eggestad
2002-12-18 20:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-18 20:25   ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-12-18 20:26     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-18 22:28   ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-18 22:37     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18 22:57       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-20  0:53         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-12-20  1:47           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-20  2:37             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-12-18 22:39     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-18  1:30 Nakajima, Jun
2002-12-18  1:54 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-18  3:36   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-18  4:05     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  4:36       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-18  4:07     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  4:40       ` Stephen Rothwell
2002-12-18  4:52         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  4:53         ` Andrew Morton
2002-12-18 19:12         ` Andrew Morton
2002-12-18 23:45       ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-20  3:05         ` Alan Cox
2002-12-20  4:03           ` Stephen Rothwell
2002-12-18  6:00   ` Brian Gerst
2002-12-17 16:32 Manfred Spraul
2002-12-17 17:13 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-12-17 17:19   ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-12-17 17:37     ` Mikael Pettersson
2002-12-17 16:14 John Reiser
2002-12-17 16:01 John Reiser
     [not found] <20021209193649.GC10316@suse.de.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0212161639310.1623-100000@penguin.transmeta.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-12-17  8:56   ` Andi Kleen
2002-12-17 16:57     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  5:25       ` Brian Gerst
2002-12-18  6:06         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-21 11:24           ` Ingo Molnar
2002-12-21 17:28             ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-21 16:07         ` Christian Leber
2002-12-15  8:43 scott thomason
2002-12-15  4:06 Albert D. Cahalan
2002-12-15 22:01 ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-16  7:33   ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-12-16 11:17     ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-16 17:54       ` Mark Mielke
2002-12-16 16:07         ` Jonah Sherman
2002-12-17  4:10           ` David Schwartz
2002-12-17  8:02         ` Helge Hafting
2002-12-16 19:55       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-13 21:52 Margit Schubert-While
2002-12-13 19:32 Dieter Nützel
2002-12-13 17:51 Margit Schubert-While
2002-12-11 12:48 Terje Eggestad
2002-12-11 18:50 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-12  9:42   ` Terje Eggestad
2002-12-12 10:06     ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-12-12 10:31       ` Terje Eggestad
2002-12-12 19:03       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-12 20:36     ` Mark Mielke
2002-12-12 20:56       ` J.A. Magallon
2002-12-12 20:12         ` Zac Hansen
2002-12-13  9:21         ` Terje Eggestad
2002-12-13 15:58           ` Ville Herva
2002-12-13 21:57             ` Terje Eggestad
2002-12-13 22:53               ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-12 20:56       ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-12-09  7:01 Samium Gromoff

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