From: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@steeleye.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFT][PATCH] generic device DMA implementation
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:28:54 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3E0D0C66.8050705@pacbell.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 200212272147.gBRLlU103775@localhost.localdomain
Hi,
>>- DMA mapping calls still return no errors; so BUG() out instead?
>
>
> That's actually an open question. The line of least resistance (which is what
> I followed) is to do what the pci_ API does (i.e. BUG()).
That might have been appropriate for PCI-mostly APIs, since those tend to
be resource-rich. Maybe. (It always seemed like an API bug to me.)
I can't buy that logic in the "generic" case though. Heck, haven't all
the address space allocation calls in Linux always exposed ENOMEM type
faults ... except PCI? This one is _really_ easy to fix now. Resources
are never infinite.
> It's not clear to me that adding error returns rather than BUGging would buy
> us anything (because now all the drivers have to know about the errors and
> process them).
For me, designing any "generic" API to handle common cases (like allocation
failures) reasonably (no BUGging!) is a fundamental design requirement.
Robust drivers are aware of things like allocation faults, and handle them.
If they do so poorly, that can be fixed like any other driver bug.
>> Consider systems where DMA-able memory is limited (like SA-1111,
>> to 1 MByte); clearly it should be possible for these calls to
>> fail, when they can't allocate a bounce buffer. Or (see below)
>> when an invalid argument is provided to a dma mapping call.
>
>
> That's pretty much an edge case. I'm not opposed to putting edge cases in the
> api (I did it for dma_alloc_noncoherent() to help parisc), but I don't think
> the main line should be affected unless there's a good case for it.
Absolutely *any* system can have situations where the relevant address space
(or memory) was all in use, or wasn't available to a non-blocking request
without blocking, etc. Happens more often on some systems than others; I
just chose SA-1111 since your approach would seem to make that unusable.
If that isn't a "good case", why not? And what could ever be a "good case"?
> Perhaps there is a compromise where the driver flags in the struct
> device_driver that it wants error returns otherwise it takes the default
> behaviour (i.e. no error return checking and BUG if there's a problem).
IMO that's the worst of all possible worlds. The error paths would get
even less testing than they do today. If there's a fault path defined,
use it in all cases: don't just BUG() in some modes, and some drivers.
- Dave
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-12-28 2:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-12-27 20:21 [RFT][PATCH] generic device DMA implementation David Brownell
2002-12-27 21:40 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-28 1:29 ` David Brownell
2002-12-28 16:18 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-28 18:16 ` David Brownell
2002-12-28 1:56 ` David Brownell
2002-12-28 16:13 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-28 17:41 ` David Brownell
2002-12-30 23:11 ` [PATCH] generic device DMA (dma_pool update) David Brownell
2002-12-31 15:00 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-31 17:04 ` David Brownell
2002-12-31 17:23 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-31 18:11 ` David Brownell
2002-12-31 18:44 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-31 19:29 ` David Brownell
2002-12-31 19:50 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-31 21:17 ` David Brownell
2002-12-31 16:36 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-31 17:32 ` David Brownell
2002-12-27 21:47 ` [RFT][PATCH] generic device DMA implementation James Bottomley
2002-12-28 2:28 ` David Brownell [this message]
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-12-28 22:19 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-30 23:23 ` David Brownell
2002-12-28 20:11 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-28 15:41 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-28 16:59 ` David Brownell
2002-12-28 3:39 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-30 0:45 ` Alan Cox
2002-12-28 2:48 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-28 15:05 ` David Brownell
2002-12-27 22:57 Manfred Spraul
2002-12-27 23:55 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-28 0:20 ` Manfred Spraul
2002-12-28 16:26 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-28 17:54 ` Manfred Spraul
2002-12-28 18:13 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-28 18:25 ` Manfred Spraul
2002-12-28 18:40 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-28 20:05 ` Manfred Spraul
2002-12-18 3:01 James Bottomley
2002-12-18 3:13 ` David Mosberger
2002-12-28 18:14 ` Russell King
2002-12-28 18:19 ` James Bottomley
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