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From: Herman Oosthuysen <Herman@WirelessNetworksInc.com>
To: John Bradford <john@grabjohn.com>
Cc: Dave Jones <davej@codemonkey.org.uk>,
	wookie@osdl.org, vda@port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua,
	root@chaos.analogic.com, mbligh@aracnet.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, lse-tech@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: gcc 2.95 vs 3.21 performance
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 13:45:00 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3E40264C.5050302@WirelessNetworksInc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200302042011.h14KBuG6002791@darkstar.example.net>

Hi there,

 From my experience, the speed issue is caused by misalligned memory 
accesses, causing inefficient SDRAM to Cache movement of data and 
instructions.

I don't think that you necessarily need a modification to the compiler. 
  What you can do is carefully place the ALLIGN switch in a few critical 
places in the kernel code, to ensure that the code and data will be 
properly alligned for whatever processor it is compiled for, be that a 
Pentium, an ARM, a MIPS or whatever.

It would be nice if GCC can be suitably improved to do this correcly for 
all architectures, but a little bit of human help can do wonders, 
without having to fork the GCC project.

Cheers,
-- 

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Herman Oosthuysen
B.Eng.(E), Member of IEEE
Wireless Networks Inc.
http://www.WirelessNetworksInc.com
E-mail: Herman@WirelessNetworksInc.com
Phone: 1.403.569-5687, Fax: 1.403.235-3965
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John Bradford wrote:
>> > Maybe we should create a KGCC fork, optimise it for kernel
>> > complilations, then try to get our changes merged back in to GCC
>> > mainline at a later date.
>>
>>What exactly do you mean by "optimise for kernel compilations" ?
> 
> 
> I don't, that was a bad way of phrasing it - I didn't mean fork GCC
> just to create one which compiles the kernel so it runs faster, as the
> expense of other code.
> 
> What I was thinking was that if we forked GCC, we could try out all of
> these ideas that have been floating around in this thread, and if, as
> was hinted at earlier in this thread, $bigcompanies[] have not offered
> contributions because of reluctance to accept them by the GCC team, we
> would be more in a position to try them out, because we only need to
> concern ourselves with breaking the compilation of the kernel, not
> every single program that currently compiles with GCC.
> 
> The way I see it, the development series would be optimised for KGCC,
> and when we start to think about stabilising that development series,
> we try to get our KGCC changes merged back in to GCC mainline.  If
> they are not accepted, either KGCC becomes the recommended kernel
> compiler, which should cause no great difficulties, (having one
> compiler for kernels, and one for userland applications), or we start
> making sure that we haven't broken compilation with GCC, (and since a
> there would probably always be people compiling with GCC anyway, even
> if there was a KGCC, we would effectively always know if we broke
> compilation with GCC), and then the recommended compiler is just not
> the optimal one, and it would be up to the various distributions to
> decide which one they are going to use.
> 
> John.
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-02-04 20:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-02-03 23:05 gcc 2.95 vs 3.21 performance Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-03 23:22 ` [Lse-tech] " Andi Kleen
2003-02-03 23:31 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-02-04  0:43   ` J.A. Magallon
2003-02-04 13:42     ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-02-04 14:20       ` John Bradford
2003-02-04  6:54   ` Denis Vlasenko
2003-02-04  7:13     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-04 12:25       ` Adrian Bunk
2003-02-04 15:51         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-04 16:27           ` [Lse-tech] " Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-04 17:40             ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-02-04 17:55               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-04  9:54     ` Bryan Andersen
2003-02-04 15:46       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-04 19:09     ` Timothy D. Witham
2003-02-04 19:35       ` John Bradford
2003-02-04 19:44         ` Dave Jones
2003-02-04 20:11           ` John Bradford
2003-02-04 20:20             ` John Bradford
2003-02-04 20:45             ` Herman Oosthuysen [this message]
2003-02-04 21:44               ` Timothy D. Witham
2003-02-05  7:15               ` Denis Vlasenko
2003-02-05 10:36                 ` Andreas Schwab
2003-02-05 11:41                   ` Denis Vlasenko
2003-02-05 12:20                     ` Dave Jones
2003-02-05 13:10                     ` [Lse-tech] " Dipankar Sarma
2003-02-05 15:30                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-04 21:38         ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-04 21:54           ` John Bradford
2003-02-04 22:11             ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-04 23:27               ` Timothy D. Witham
2003-02-04 23:21           ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-04 23:42             ` b_adlakha
2003-02-05  0:19               ` Andy Pfiffer
2003-02-04 23:51             ` Jakob Oestergaard
2003-02-05  1:03               ` Hugo Mills
2003-02-10 22:26               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-10 23:28                 ` J.A. Magallon
2003-02-04 23:51             ` Eli Carter
2003-02-05  0:27               ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-06 20:42                 ` Paul Jakma
2003-02-05  3:03             ` Tomas Szepe
2003-02-05  6:03             ` Mark Mielke
2003-02-07 16:09           ` Pavel Machek
2003-02-04 10:57   ` Padraig
2003-02-04 13:11     ` Helge Hafting
2003-02-04 13:29       ` Jörn Engel
2003-02-04 14:05       ` P
2003-02-04 20:36         ` Herman Oosthuysen
2003-02-04 12:20 ` [Lse-tech] " Dave Jones
2003-02-04 15:50   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-10 12:13     ` Momchil Velikov
2003-02-06 15:42 ` gcc -O2 vs gcc -Os performance Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-06 15:51   ` [Lse-tech] " Andi Kleen
2003-02-06 17:48   ` Alan Cox
2003-02-06 17:06     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-06 20:38     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-06 21:32       ` John Bradford
2003-02-06 22:12       ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-06 22:58         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-06 23:16           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-06 23:59             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-06 23:17       ` Roger Larsson
2003-02-06 23:33         ` Martin J. Bligh
     [not found] <1044385759.1861.46.camel@localhost.localdomain.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <200302041935.h14JZ69G002675@darkstar.example.net.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]   ` <b1pbt8$2ll$1@penguin.transmeta.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2003-02-04 22:05     ` gcc 2.95 vs 3.21 performance Andi Kleen
2003-02-04 22:14       ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-05 10:04         ` Pavel Janík
2003-02-05 20:07           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-06 15:00           ` Horst von Brand
2003-02-04 22:59       ` Jeff Muizelaar
2003-02-04 23:12         ` b_adlakha
2003-02-05  8:41         ` Horst von Brand
2003-02-05 19:09         ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-05 19:22           ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-02-05 19:24           ` John Bradford
2003-02-06  7:02         ` Neil Booth
     [not found]           ` <courier.3E423112.00007219@softhome.net>
     [not found]             ` <20030206212218.GA4891@daikokuya.co.uk>
2003-02-07 10:31               ` b_adlakha
2003-02-07 18:46                 ` Horst von Brand
2003-02-07 21:49                 ` Neil Booth
2003-02-10  2:14           ` Jeff Garzik
2003-02-10  9:19             ` Tomas Szepe
     [not found] <120432836@toto.iv>
2003-02-05  2:45 ` Peter Chubb
     [not found] <200302052021.h15KLrXv000881@darkstar.example.net>
2003-02-05 20:28 ` b_adlakha

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