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From: Crispin Cowan <crispin@wirex.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: torvalds@transmeta.com, linux-security-module@wirex.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [BK PATCH] LSM changes for 2.5.59
Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 17:39:26 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3E4702CE.3040403@wirex.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20030209200626.A7704@infradead.org

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Christoph Hellwig wrote:

>you don't get tru security by adding hooks.  security needs a careful
>design and more strict access control policy can but don't have to be part
>of that design.
>
LSM does have a careful design. The design goal was to permit loadable 
kernel modules to mediate access to critical kernel objects by user 
level processes. By providing such a facility, LSM enables arbitrary 
security policies and policy management engines to be implemented as 
loadable modules. This solves the "make one size fit all" problem of 
diverse interests lobbying Linus to adopt one security model or another 
as the Linux standard. The LSM design saves Linus from having to make 
such a  choice by allowing end-users to make their own choice, meeting a 
goal stated by Linus nearly two years ago.

>The real problem is adding mess to the kernel.
>
Christoph's problem is likely that he doesn't like the design. Fair 
enough, can't please everyone, but a lot of effort went into that 
design. I also suspect that Christoph does not approve of Linus' design 
goal either, but he's never said that when I was looking.

Crispin

-- 
Crispin Cowan, Ph.D.
Chief Scientist, WireX                      http://wirex.com/~crispin/
Security Hardened Linux Distribution:       http://immunix.org
			    Just say ".Nyet"


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  reply	other threads:[~2003-02-10  1:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-02-06 15:02 [BK PATCH] LSM changes for 2.5.59 Stephen D. Smalley
2003-02-06 15:18 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-02-06 17:16   ` David Wagner
2003-02-06 17:45     ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-02-06 17:51   ` Alan Cox
2003-02-08  2:20   ` jmjones
2003-02-08  4:13     ` Miles Bader
2003-02-09 20:06     ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-02-10  1:39       ` Crispin Cowan [this message]
2003-02-10  3:02         ` LA Walsh
2003-02-10  3:40           ` Crispin Cowan
2003-02-10  7:34             ` LA Walsh
2003-02-10  8:11               ` Chris Wright
2003-02-10  8:21             ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2003-02-10  8:33               ` Crispin Cowan
2003-02-10  8:39                 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2003-02-10 13:31             ` Alan Cox
2003-02-10 17:29             ` Casey Schaufler
2003-02-12  8:12               ` side issues of baloney with that ham...(was LSM changes for 2.5.59) LA Walsh
2003-02-10 20:51             ` [BK PATCH] LSM changes for 2.5.59 LA Walsh
2003-02-10 21:36               ` David Wagner
2003-02-10 22:14             ` Bill Davidsen
2003-02-11  1:35               ` Dave Jones
2003-02-11 13:59                 ` the modules problems Roman Zippel
2003-02-11 19:44                 ` [BK PATCH] LSM changes for 2.5.59 Bill Davidsen
2003-02-10  4:06           ` J Sloan
2003-02-10  5:59       ` David Wagner
2003-02-10  7:31         ` Christoph Hellwig
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-02-13  4:08 Mika Kukkonen
2003-02-12 16:58 Makan Pourzandi (LMC)
2003-02-12 18:45 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2003-02-12 19:11 ` magniett
2003-02-12 18:38   ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2003-02-12 22:22     ` Crispin Cowan
2003-02-12 15:37 Pete Loscocco
     [not found] <b28k4f$hp4$1@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu>
2003-02-12  8:27 ` LA Walsh
2003-02-10 19:57 Stephen D. Smalley
2003-02-10 22:38 ` LA Walsh
2003-02-10 16:55 Stephen D. Smalley
2003-02-11  8:05 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-02-13 11:08   ` Chris Wright
2003-02-05 16:59 Stephen D. Smalley
2003-02-05 16:47 Stephen D. Smalley
2003-02-05 16:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-02-05 22:07   ` Greg KH
2003-02-05 22:30     ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-02-05 22:39       ` Russell Coker
2003-02-05 22:41         ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-02-05 15:00 Stephen D. Smalley
2003-02-05 15:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-02-05 16:26 ` Mark Hahn
2003-02-05 13:45 Stephen D. Smalley
2003-02-05 14:13 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-02-05  4:15 Greg KH
2003-02-05  8:47 ` Christoph Hellwig

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