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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Dana Lacoste <dana.lacoste@peregrine.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] BK->CVS (real time mirror)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:29:40 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3E6F6E84.1010601@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1047486659.16704.161.camel@dlacoste.ottawa.loran.com

Dana Lacoste wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 11:13, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> 
>>"Can we get our data out of BK into some kind of open format?"
> 
> 
>>It's an important question.  If the answer is "yes, but only the stuff
>>that can be mapped onto CVS" then that's a significant data loss, and
>>if BitMover changes the data format without documentation, then there
>>is no longer a way to get all the data out.
> 
> 
> This sounds like the old GPL argument.
> 
> The GPL'd redistributor has to supply the source, they don't have to
> supply it in the format that's best for you, being an 80mm tape drive
> cuz you're stuck in the punch card age.
> 
> Seriously, if CVS loses all that data, is that BK's fault?  BK's so
> powerful because it has more information than anyone else, but it's
> not their fault (and it's not proprietary data) that no-one else can
> deal with the data when it's exported, now is it????
> 
> It's not a significant data loss when you try to view a 24bpp image
> on an 8bpp display, so it's not a significant data loss that CVS can't
> handle the BK.  If it could, Linus would've switched to CVS instead....
> 

You're missing the point completely.

Of course it's not BK's fault that CVS can't represent the data. 
However, one of the (valid!) selling points of BK was "we won't hold 
your data hostage."  That requires that you can export both the data and 
the metadata into some kind of open format.  Since CVS clearly can't be 
that open format (CVS being insufficiently powerful), the additional 
metadata needs to be available in some kind of auxilliary form.  It's 
then, of course, not BK's fault that CVS can't possibly make use of that 
auxilliary metadata.

	-hpa



  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-03-12 17:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-03-12  3:43 [ANNOUNCE] BK->CVS (real time mirror) Larry McVoy
2003-03-12  4:16 ` Ben Collins
2003-03-12  8:55   ` Jens Axboe
2003-03-12 10:26     ` Andreas Dilger
2003-03-12 10:31       ` Jens Axboe
2003-03-12 10:56         ` Andreas Dilger
2003-03-12 11:15           ` Jens Axboe
2003-03-12 11:20       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-03-12 16:13       ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-12 16:30         ` Dana Lacoste
2003-03-12 16:47           ` John Bradford
2003-03-12 17:08           ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-12 21:50             ` Alan Cox
2003-03-13 23:30               ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-12 17:29           ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2003-03-12 17:57             ` John Bradford
2003-03-12 18:03               ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 20:49                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-14 19:15                   ` BK->CVS (2.4 + 2.5 updates) Larry McVoy
2003-03-13  7:59                 ` [ANNOUNCE] BK->CVS (real time mirror) Theodore Ts'o
2003-03-13  9:58                   ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-12 16:18       ` Ben Collins
2003-03-12 16:47         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-03-12 17:34           ` Ryan Anderson
2003-03-12 18:38   ` Arador
2003-03-12 18:47     ` Ben Collins
2003-03-12 19:12       ` Andreas Dilger
2003-03-13  0:29       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-13  0:56         ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-16  3:44       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-12  4:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-12  4:56   ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-16  3:10   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-12 19:34 ` Brandon Low
2003-03-16 13:45 ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-17 14:18   ` Wayne Scott
2003-03-17 14:45     ` Pavel Machek
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-03-12 17:42 Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 18:01 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-12 18:34 ` Ben Collins
2003-03-12 19:03   ` Sam Ravnborg
2003-03-12 19:38     ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-12 19:32   ` Nicolas Pitre
2003-03-12 19:53     ` Ben Collins
2003-03-12 20:09       ` Ben Collins
2003-03-12 20:20       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-12 23:58         ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-12 20:37       ` Nicolas Pitre
2003-03-13  2:57   ` Aaron Lehmann
2003-03-16  3:48   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-16 17:45     ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-16 18:54       ` Nicolas Pitre
2003-03-16 19:30         ` Shawn
2003-03-16 19:33         ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-16 21:52           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-17  1:18             ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-17  1:35               ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-17  1:56                 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-17  9:01                 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-03-17 17:46                 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-17 18:04                   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-17 19:32                     ` Jamie Lokier
2003-03-17 19:40                       ` David Lang
2003-03-17 20:00                         ` Jamie Lokier
2003-03-17 20:43                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-17 20:12                     ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-17 21:56             ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-17 22:08               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-21 14:16                 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-21 17:42                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-21 19:40                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-22  0:15                     ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-22  0:51                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-17 17:41           ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-17 18:04             ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-12 19:21 ` Nicolas Pitre
2003-03-12 19:51   ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 20:08     ` Ben Collins
2003-03-12 20:14     ` Sam Ravnborg
2003-03-12 20:18       ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 20:46       ` Nicolas Pitre
2003-03-12 20:58         ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 21:08           ` Nicolas Pitre
2003-03-13  0:41             ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 21:18           ` Eli Carter
2003-03-13 20:45           ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-13  1:58       ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-13 23:40       ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 21:05     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-03-12 21:18       ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 21:31         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-03-12 21:33           ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 21:45         ` Kai Germaschewski
2003-03-12 22:01           ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 22:21             ` David Lang
2003-03-12 22:30               ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 23:18                 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-03-15 16:52                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-13 21:00             ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-13  9:43     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-03-13 23:26       ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-14  8:53         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-03-13 15:38 David Mansfield
2003-03-13 15:42 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-17 23:08 David Mansfield
2003-03-17 23:25 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-17 23:33   ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-17 23:57     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-18  1:48     ` David Mansfield
2003-03-18  2:43       ` Andrea Arcangeli

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