From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Recent changes to sysctl.h breaks glibc
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 15:31:52 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3EC95B58.7080807@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1d6ie37i8.fsf@frodo.biederman.org>
Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>
> ABI changes or ABI additions?
>
> If the ABI is not fixed that is a bug. Admittedly some interfaces
> in the development kernel are still under development and so have not
> stabilized on an ABI but that is a different issue.
>
ABI fixes and ABI additions, as well as outright ABI changes (yes they
suck, but they happen.)
>
>>ABI headers is the only realistic solution. We
>>can't realistically get real ABI headers for 2.5, so please don't just
>>break things randomly until then.
>
> As the ABI remains fixed I remain unconvinced. Multiple implementations
> against the same ABI should be possible. The real question which is the
> more scalable way to do the code.
The ABI doesn't remain fixed. Like everything else it evolves.
> What I find truly puzzling is that after years glibc still needs
> kernel headers at all.
What I find truly puzzling is that obviously intelligent people like
yourself still seem to think that ABIs remain fixed.
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-05-19 22:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-05-18 20:21 Recent changes to sysctl.h breaks glibc Martin Schlemmer
2003-05-18 20:49 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-18 21:12 ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-05-19 5:38 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-19 10:43 ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-05-19 10:51 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-19 11:14 ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-05-19 11:21 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-19 11:33 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-05-19 11:43 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-19 12:52 ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-05-19 21:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-19 22:44 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-19 22:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-19 22:56 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-19 23:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-20 6:06 ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-05-19 11:45 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-19 12:56 ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-05-19 13:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-19 16:56 ` Sam Ravnborg
2003-05-19 17:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-19 21:16 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-19 22:18 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-05-19 22:31 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2003-05-19 22:20 ` Alan Cox
2003-05-19 23:28 ` Andries Brouwer
2003-05-20 10:35 ` Lionel Elie Mamane
2003-05-19 23:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-19 23:05 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-05-19 23:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-19 23:55 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-05-20 0:24 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-05-20 0:40 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-05-20 1:11 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-05-20 22:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-20 0:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-20 0:54 ` David Woodhouse
2003-05-20 1:09 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-20 1:42 ` Miles Bader
2003-05-20 4:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-20 4:24 ` Miles Bader
2003-05-20 6:37 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-05-20 7:24 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-20 19:04 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-05-20 7:44 ` Riley Williams
2003-05-20 14:01 ` Chris Friesen
2003-05-20 17:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-21 4:39 ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-05-21 5:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-21 5:58 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-05-19 18:05 ` David Ford
2003-05-19 17:44 ` Alan Cox
2003-05-20 2:21 ` David Ford
2003-05-19 18:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-19 17:59 ` David Ford
2003-05-19 18:06 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-05-19 18:23 ` David Ford
2003-05-19 18:34 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-05-19 19:43 ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-05-19 21:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-19 21:35 ` Sam Ravnborg
2003-05-19 21:37 ` Arjan van de Ven
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-05-19 19:54 Mudama, Eric
2003-05-19 20:36 ` Martin Schlemmer
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