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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortelnetworks.com>
Cc: Riley Williams <Riley@Williams.Name>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Recent changes to sysctl.h breaks glibc
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:06:56 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3ECA60B0.6040402@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3ECA3535.7090608@nortelnetworks.com>

Chris Friesen wrote:
> Riley Williams wrote:
> 
>> First, is there anything in include/asm that is actually needed
>> outside the kernel itself? There shouldn't be, and if there is,
>> it needs to be moved to a header under include/linux that is
>> included in the relevant include/asm file.
> 
> It's handy for stuff like getting high res timestamps without having to 
> ifdef the case of building on different architechtures.  Also, there are 
> files under include/linux which end up including asm stuff in turn.
> 
>> The basic rule would be that external software can make free
>> use of headers under include/linux but should never make any
>> use whatsoever of headers under include/kernel or include/asm
>> for any reason.
> 
> 
> What if the include/linux files themselves make use of the asm files?
> 

No, not acceptable.

The thing is, trying to redefine the old namespaces is hopeless at this 
point.  Hence the proposed new namespace <linux/abi/*.h> ... 
<linux/abi/arch/*.h> would be my preference for an arch-specific 
subnamespace.

Thus the rule is:

a) <linux/abi/*> files MUST NOT include files outside <linux/abi/*>

b) <linux/*.h> and <asm/*.h> are legacy namespaces.  They should be 
considered to be completely different in kernel and userspace -- in 
effect, glibc will eventually ship with its own set of these headers.

c) <linux/abi/*> files should be clean for inclusion from either kernel 
or userspace.

	-hpa



  reply	other threads:[~2003-05-20 17:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-05-18 20:21 Recent changes to sysctl.h breaks glibc Martin Schlemmer
2003-05-18 20:49 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-18 21:12   ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-05-19  5:38     ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-19 10:43       ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-05-19 10:51         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-19 11:14           ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-05-19 11:21             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-19 11:33             ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-05-19 11:43             ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-19 12:52               ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-05-19 21:14           ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-19 22:44             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-19 22:46               ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-19 22:56                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-19 23:04                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-20  6:06                   ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-05-19 11:45         ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-19 12:56           ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-05-19 13:06             ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-19 16:56               ` Sam Ravnborg
2003-05-19 17:41                 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-19 21:16                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-19 22:18                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-05-19 22:31                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-19 22:20                         ` Alan Cox
2003-05-19 23:28                           ` Andries Brouwer
2003-05-20 10:35                             ` Lionel Elie Mamane
2003-05-19 23:30                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-19 23:05                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-05-19 23:17                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-19 23:55                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-05-20  0:24                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-05-20  0:40                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-05-20  1:11                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-05-20 22:10                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-20  0:30                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-20  0:54                             ` David Woodhouse
2003-05-20  1:09                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-20  1:42                                 ` Miles Bader
2003-05-20  4:12                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-20  4:24                                     ` Miles Bader
2003-05-20  6:37                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-05-20  7:24                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-20 19:04                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-05-20  7:44                               ` Riley Williams
2003-05-20 14:01                                 ` Chris Friesen
2003-05-20 17:06                                   ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2003-05-21  4:39                                     ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-05-21  5:38                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-21  5:58                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-05-19 18:05               ` David Ford
2003-05-19 17:44                 ` Alan Cox
2003-05-20  2:21                   ` David Ford
2003-05-19 18:24                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-19 17:59           ` David Ford
2003-05-19 18:06             ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-05-19 18:23               ` David Ford
2003-05-19 18:34                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-05-19 19:43                   ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-05-19 21:21                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-19 21:35               ` Sam Ravnborg
2003-05-19 21:37                 ` Arjan van de Ven
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-05-19 19:54 Mudama, Eric
2003-05-19 20:36 ` Martin Schlemmer

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