Re: [OT] Re: Troll Tech [was Re: Sco vs. IBM] (sorry)

Re: [OT] Re: Troll Tech [was Re: Sco vs. IBM] (sorry)

[Ricardo Galli]

> Forgive me if I don't mix your theories into my practice.

Take it the other way around: 

Forgive if other people don't want to mix _your_ practices in theirs.

Not everyone wants a "giant software company", not everyone wants to compete 
againts the big players, not everyone wants to have employees or earn insane 
amounts of money. Furthermore, "giant software houses" are not going to save 
the world.

Lot of people think that a free BK _will_ be created sooner or later if it's 
needed, with or without Larry McVoy. In the same way TeX was created, or 
TCP/IP, or DNS, or smtp, or http/html... all of them were disruptive, very 
innovative, free and without any big company or lot of money to do "the real 
innovation".

BTW, for some people, ReiserFS is quite innovative, it comes from a small 
company doing services, it's free, and it seems that Hans is reasonably happy 
:-)


-- 
  ricardo galli       GPG id C8114D34

Re: [OT] Re: Troll Tech [was Re: Sco vs. IBM] (sorry)

[Nikita Danilov]

Ricardo Galli writes:
 > > Forgive me if I don't mix your theories into my practice.
 > 
 > Take it the other way around: 
 > 
 > Forgive if other people don't want to mix _your_ practices in theirs.
 > 
 > Not everyone wants a "giant software company", not everyone wants to compete 
 > againts the big players, not everyone wants to have employees or earn insane 
 > amounts of money. Furthermore, "giant software houses" are not going to save 
 > the world.
 > 
 > Lot of people think that a free BK _will_ be created sooner or later if it's 
 > needed, with or without Larry McVoy. In the same way TeX was created, or 
 > TCP/IP, or DNS, or smtp, or http/html... all of them were disruptive, very 
 > innovative, free and without any big company or lot of money to do "the real 
 > innovation".
 > 
 > BTW, for some people, ReiserFS is quite innovative, it comes from a small 
 > company doing services, it's free, and it seems that Hans is reasonably happy 
 > :-)

And these examples show that free software can "parasite" on something
else than large company doing a lot of R&D. Government is not exactly a
easy host to kill. :-)

 > 
 > 
 > -- 
 >   ricardo galli       GPG id C8114D34

Nikita.

Re: [OT] Re: Troll Tech [was Re: Sco vs. IBM] (sorry)

[Hans Reiser]

Ricardo Galli wrote:

>>Forgive me if I don't mix your theories into my practice.
>>    
>>
>
>Take it the other way around: 
>
>Forgive if other people don't want to mix _your_ practices in theirs.
>
>Not everyone wants a "giant software company", not everyone wants to compete 
>againts the big players, not everyone wants to have employees or earn insane 
>amounts of money. Furthermore, "giant software houses" are not going to save 
>the world.
>
>Lot of people think that a free BK _will_ be created sooner or later if it's 
>needed, with or without Larry McVoy. In the same way TeX was created, or 
>TCP/IP, or DNS, or smtp, or http/html... all of them were disruptive, very 
>innovative, free and without any big company or lot of money to do "the real 
>innovation".
>
>BTW, for some people, ReiserFS is quite innovative, it comes from a small 
>company doing services, it's free, and it seems that Hans is reasonably happy 
>:-)
>
>
>  
>
Umh, I would not mind something coming along to help me make it past 
October when my cash runs out.  Being able to afford a house is too much 
to ask but making payroll would be nice....  Government money has done a 
lot to keep me from going bankrupt.

-- 
Hans

Re: [OT] Re: Troll Tech [was Re: Sco vs. IBM] (sorry)

[Stewart Smith]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 10:03:13AM +0400, Hans Reiser wrote:
> Umh, I would not mind something coming along to help me make it past 
> October when my cash runs out.  Being able to afford a house is too much 
> to ask but making payroll would be nice....  Government money has done a 
> lot to keep me from going bankrupt.

May I suggest whacking an icon up with "Donate to ReiserFS" up there?

Samba and GNOME are two projects which do this and at least get a bit
of funding for it. Check out the samba one, tridge says it does okay
with the updating list of who's donated money - makes it into a bit
of a fun game for donators :)

You've probably already got the credit card processing infrastructure
around, so it could be minimal effort - with only possible gain.

I'm sure happy reiser users would be willing to chuck a couple of
bucks your way to ensure further development.

----
Stewart Smith
Vice President, Linux Australia
http://www.linux.org.au (personal: http://www.flamingspork.com)

Re: [OT] Re: Troll Tech [was Re: Sco vs. IBM] (sorry)

[joe briggs]

Hans - 
Here's a thought to chew on.  I _value_ your software and use it extensively 
(along with other linux software).  Out of necessity I painfully roll my own 
Debian distro/kernel and flinch _every_ time I use apt to update my boxes 
(wondering if some damn PAM module is going to hose me).  Anyway, the point 
is, I build video servers that I sell for a profit - it is how I make my 
living.  I am also aware that in reality I am making a living off of the 
backs of you (ala reiserfs) and others like you.  The reason that I use linux 
is not because its free, but because it takes much less time to develop and 
maintain my video applications under linux than windows,  because I can 
remotely service and maintain the boxes that I sell, and because linux has 
proven to be more reliable than the windows os that I used to base my product 
on.  You see, the price is not the issue, its features, performance, and 
reliability are.  So, consider this:  YOU roll a DEB-REISER distribution 
targeted toward system builders such as me, that more smoothly incorporates 
reisefs than does the woody cd's (and a lot less generic), and then support 
the reiser-related issues, and I will happily pay you $100  per machine. It 
is well worth it to me to keep you in business (not that my volume alone 
would do it, but I am sure that there are a lot of others like me).  Don't 
worry about putting in a licensing agent - honesty really works here.  I used 
to base my product on RedHat and I purchased a copy of the OS for every box I 
sold - not that a customer would ever look under the hood or even read the 
docs, but it was my way of supporting the suppliers.  I don't use RedHat now 
because I can't keep up with their release-to-release changes, and I need a 
distro more turned toward enterprise servers.  The point is, I am not alone.

Just a thought.

Joe

On Tuesday 24 June 2003 06:47 am, Stewart Smith wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 10:03:13AM +0400, Hans Reiser wrote:
> > Umh, I would not mind something coming along to help me make it past
> > October when my cash runs out.  Being able to afford a house is too much
> > to ask but making payroll would be nice....  Government money has done a
> > lot to keep me from going bankrupt.
>
> May I suggest whacking an icon up with "Donate to ReiserFS" up there?
>
> Samba and GNOME are two projects which do this and at least get a bit
> of funding for it. Check out the samba one, tridge says it does okay
> with the updating list of who's donated money - makes it into a bit
> of a fun game for donators :)
>
> You've probably already got the credit card processing infrastructure
> around, so it could be minimal effort - with only possible gain.
>
> I'm sure happy reiser users would be willing to chuck a couple of
> bucks your way to ensure further development.
>
> ----
> Stewart Smith
> Vice President, Linux Australia
> http://www.linux.org.au (personal: http://www.flamingspork.com)
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Re: [OT] Re: Troll Tech [was Re: Sco vs. IBM] (sorry)

[Hans Reiser]

That's a very generous offer.  Green, what would be required to do what 
he asks?

Hans

joe briggs wrote:

>Hans - 
>Here's a thought to chew on.  I _value_ your software and use it extensively 
>(along with other linux software).  Out of necessity I painfully roll my own 
>Debian distro/kernel and flinch _every_ time I use apt to update my boxes 
>(wondering if some damn PAM module is going to hose me).  Anyway, the point 
>is, I build video servers that I sell for a profit - it is how I make my 
>living.  I am also aware that in reality I am making a living off of the 
>backs of you (ala reiserfs) and others like you.  The reason that I use linux 
>is not because its free, but because it takes much less time to develop and 
>maintain my video applications under linux than windows,  because I can 
>remotely service and maintain the boxes that I sell, and because linux has 
>proven to be more reliable than the windows os that I used to base my product 
>on.  You see, the price is not the issue, its features, performance, and 
>reliability are.  So, consider this:  YOU roll a DEB-REISER distribution 
>targeted toward system builders such as me, that more smoothly incorporates 
>reisefs than does the woody cd's (and a lot less generic), and then support 
>the reiser-related issues, and I will happily pay you $100  per machine. It 
>is well worth it to me to keep you in business (not that my volume alone 
>would do it, but I am sure that there are a lot of others like me).  Don't 
>worry about putting in a licensing agent - honesty really works here.  I used 
>to base my product on RedHat and I purchased a copy of the OS for every box I 
>sold - not that a customer would ever look under the hood or even read the 
>docs, but it was my way of supporting the suppliers.  I don't use RedHat now 
>because I can't keep up with their release-to-release changes, and I need a 
>distro more turned toward enterprise servers.  The point is, I am not alone.
>
>Just a thought.
>
>Joe
>
>On Tuesday 24 June 2003 06:47 am, Stewart Smith wrote:
>  
>
>>On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 10:03:13AM +0400, Hans Reiser wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Umh, I would not mind something coming along to help me make it past
>>>October when my cash runs out.  Being able to afford a house is too much
>>>to ask but making payroll would be nice....  Government money has done a
>>>lot to keep me from going bankrupt.
>>>      
>>>
>>May I suggest whacking an icon up with "Donate to ReiserFS" up there?
>>
>>Samba and GNOME are two projects which do this and at least get a bit
>>of funding for it. Check out the samba one, tridge says it does okay
>>with the updating list of who's donated money - makes it into a bit
>>of a fun game for donators :)
>>
>>You've probably already got the credit card processing infrastructure
>>around, so it could be minimal effort - with only possible gain.
>>
>>I'm sure happy reiser users would be willing to chuck a couple of
>>bucks your way to ensure further development.
>>
>>----
>>Stewart Smith
>>Vice President, Linux Australia
>>http://www.linux.org.au (personal: http://www.flamingspork.com)
>>-
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>>    
>>
>
>  
>


-- 
Hans