From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo@conectiva.com.br>,
Marc-Christian Petersen <m.c.p@wolk-project.de>,
Andreas Dilger <adilger@clusterfs.com>,
Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
marcelo@connectiva.com.br,
Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>,
lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: ->direct_IO API change in current 2.4 BK
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 20:21:25 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3F0CB185.3000308@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1057794223.7137.15.camel@dhcp22.swansea.linux.org.uk>
Alan Cox wrote:
> On Mer, 2003-07-09 at 20:13, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
>
>>I applied it because, in my ignorance, I did not noticed it would break
>>the stable API.
>>
>>I applied it because I wanted comments useful from people (Like hch and
>>others did).
>
>
> I'm not sure I see what the fuss is about a slight API change that is
> safe since it spews warnings/breaks existing code that isnt fixed. At
> least one vendor kernel also has the changed API anyway
"safe" ignores the pain of people trying to support multiple kernels.
Each API change like the direct_IO one introduces ifdefs. Changing a
function prototype is particularly annoying because you can't create a
backwards-compat wrapper
I disagree with the AC97 codec changes being merged into 2.4, too, for
the same reason. Yes I recognize it is required to support new
hardware. Yes I realize it vastly simplifies supporting some existing
hardware. But I don't think you realize (or don't care?) about the
maintenance pain created by the change. If a vendor wishes their driver
to support 2.4.21 _and_ 2.4.22 (not a lot to ask), they must add a bunch
of ifdef crud in their OSS driver.
Feature and API additions are _far_ less painful than API changes in the
middle of a stable series.
Overall, I think we are looking at a question which needs to be answered
by the community: what constitutes a stable series? when do we stop
changing the API and let it stabilize? ... and I am writing a mail
right now to ask that question (as requested by Marcelo and a couple
others, though I wanted to do it for a while now).
Jeff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-07-10 0:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-07-09 12:31 ->direct_IO API change in current 2.4 BK Christoph Hellwig
2003-07-09 17:03 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-07-09 17:24 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-07-09 17:43 ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-07-09 17:46 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-07-09 17:55 ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-07-09 18:08 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-07-09 18:22 ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-07-09 19:13 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-07-09 19:45 ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-07-09 23:43 ` Alan Cox
2003-07-10 0:21 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2003-07-09 18:33 ` Trond Myklebust
2003-07-09 18:41 ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-07-09 18:50 ` Trond Myklebust
2003-07-09 18:55 ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-07-09 19:05 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-07-09 19:08 ` Trond Myklebust
2003-07-09 19:17 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-07-09 19:51 ` Trond Myklebust
2003-07-09 21:43 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-07-09 23:42 ` Alan Cox
2003-07-10 0:23 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-07-09 23:40 ` Alan Cox
2003-07-09 18:29 ` Trond Myklebust
2003-07-09 18:51 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-07-09 19:18 ` Jeff Garzik
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