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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo@conectiva.com.br>,
	Marc-Christian Petersen <m.c.p@wolk-project.de>,
	Andreas Dilger <adilger@clusterfs.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	marcelo@connectiva.com.br,
	Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: ->direct_IO API change in current 2.4 BK
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 20:21:25 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3F0CB185.3000308@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1057794223.7137.15.camel@dhcp22.swansea.linux.org.uk>

Alan Cox wrote:
> On Mer, 2003-07-09 at 20:13, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> 
>>I applied it because, in my ignorance, I did not noticed it would break
>>the stable API.
>>
>>I applied it because I wanted comments useful from people (Like hch and
>>others did).
> 
> 
> I'm not sure I see what the fuss is about a slight API change that is
> safe since it spews warnings/breaks existing code that isnt fixed. At
> least one vendor kernel also has the changed API anyway


"safe" ignores the pain of people trying to support multiple kernels. 
Each API change like the direct_IO one introduces ifdefs.  Changing a 
function prototype is particularly annoying because you can't create a 
backwards-compat wrapper

I disagree with the AC97 codec changes being merged into 2.4, too, for 
the same reason.  Yes I recognize it is required to support new 
hardware.  Yes I realize it vastly simplifies supporting some existing 
hardware.  But I don't think you realize (or don't care?) about the 
maintenance pain created by the change.  If a vendor wishes their driver 
to support 2.4.21 _and_ 2.4.22 (not a lot to ask), they must add a bunch 
of ifdef crud in their OSS driver.

Feature and API additions are _far_ less painful than API changes in the 
middle of a stable series.

Overall, I think we are looking at a question which needs to be answered 
by the community:  what constitutes a stable series?  when do we stop 
changing the API and let it stabilize?  ... and I am writing a mail 
right now to ask that question (as requested by Marcelo and a couple 
others, though I wanted to do it for a while now).

	Jeff




  reply	other threads:[~2003-07-10  0:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-07-09 12:31 ->direct_IO API change in current 2.4 BK Christoph Hellwig
2003-07-09 17:03 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-07-09 17:24   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-07-09 17:43     ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-07-09 17:46       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-07-09 17:55         ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-07-09 18:08           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-07-09 18:22             ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-07-09 19:13               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-07-09 19:45                 ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-07-09 23:43                 ` Alan Cox
2003-07-10  0:21                   ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2003-07-09 18:33             ` Trond Myklebust
2003-07-09 18:41               ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-07-09 18:50                 ` Trond Myklebust
2003-07-09 18:55                   ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-07-09 19:05                   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-07-09 19:08                     ` Trond Myklebust
2003-07-09 19:17                       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-07-09 19:51                         ` Trond Myklebust
2003-07-09 21:43                           ` Jeff Garzik
2003-07-09 23:42                         ` Alan Cox
2003-07-10  0:23                           ` Jeff Garzik
2003-07-09 23:40                   ` Alan Cox
2003-07-09 18:29     ` Trond Myklebust
2003-07-09 18:51       ` Andreas Dilger
2003-07-09 19:18         ` Jeff Garzik

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