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From: Brandon Stewart <rbrandonstewart@yahoo.com>
To: "H.Rosmanith (Kernel Mailing List)" <kernel@wildsau.idv.uni.linz.at>
Cc: Matthew Dharm <mdharm-kernel@one-eyed-alien.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: usb-storage: how to ruin your hardware(?)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:35:24 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3F442FEC.1050605@yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200308210205.h7L25PI6012011@wildsau.idv.uni.linz.at>

I think what Matt is saying is that certain functionality of the USB 
device is soft-coded. So once this data is gone from the device, trying 
to write to or from it will fail, since the read and write commands are 
(partially) soft-coded. If this is true, then writing to this device is 
like trying to ping a computer that was booted up, but had no operating 
system loaded. It would seem weird to create a device in such a manner, 
but it is not outside the realm of possibility.

I had a printer (hp lj1000) that operated in exactly this fashion. To 
work, its firmware needed to be cat'ed to the device before any printing 
was done. I never got this working and instead just returned the printer 
and replaced it with a postscript compliant model. I recommend that you 
do similar. No sense eating the cost. It will be impetus for the 
manufacturers to make robust and compatible devices.

-Brandon

H.Rosmanith (Kernel Mailing List) wrote:

>-- Start of PGP signed section.
>  
>
>>For the vast majority of USB storage devices, it's not possible to kill the
>>device like you did.
>>
>>It looks like the device firmware needs certain data on the first sector to
>>operate.  The usb-storage communication is working just fine, but the
>>device is refusing commands.
>>    
>>
>
>aha. do you know why the device is refusing commands? it relys on sector0
>to contain some vital information and if this is not there, it refuses
>commands?
>
> 
>  
>
>>Likely, the unit is unrecoverable unless you can figure out the magic that
>>the manufacturer uses to write that beginning few sectors of data.
>>    
>>
>
>pfhew....I once sent an email to Prolific (manufacturer of this device), but
>never got an answer. so, one needs the layout of the first sectors and
>a method how to write that ... I wonder if Prolific has this info on their
>website ...
>
> 
>  
>
>>Matt
>>
>>P.S.  I commonly put ext2/3 filesystems on my CF cards without any
>>problems.
>>
>>P.P.S. The 'strange partition table' you saw probably wasn't a partition
>>table at all -- it was likely the start of a VFAT filesystem.  I'm guessing
>>that if you had just mounted /dev/sda (notice no partition number!), it
>>would have worked.
>>    
>>
>
>I see. the whole flash disk is a single filesystem without partitions
>(I used to format HDs this way in the old days :->
>
>do you think it is possible to "mke2fs /dev/sda" (once I return the
>USB BAR to the vendor and tell them it's "somehow damaged, no idea
>why") on a new  
>


  reply	other threads:[~2003-08-21  2:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-08-21  1:34 usb-storage: how to ruin your hardware(?) H.Rosmanith (Kernel Mailing List)
2003-08-21  1:55 ` Matthew Dharm
2003-08-21  2:05   ` H.Rosmanith (Kernel Mailing List)
2003-08-21  2:35     ` Brandon Stewart [this message]
2003-08-21  6:17     ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-08-21 10:16   ` Maciej Soltysiak
2003-08-21  7:11 ` Alan Cox
2003-08-22 10:44   ` H.Rosmanith (Kernel Mailing List)
2003-08-27 15:11     ` H.Rosmanith (Kernel Mailing List)
2003-08-27 15:37       ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-08-27 19:33         ` root
2003-08-27 19:58           ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-08-28  2:59         ` H.Rosmanith (Kernel Mailing List)
2003-08-28 13:44           ` Andries Brouwer
2003-08-28 16:18             ` H.Rosmanith (Kernel Mailing List)
2003-08-28 20:25               ` Andries Brouwer
2003-08-29 10:25               ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-08-29 16:11                 ` H.Rosmanith (Kernel Mailing List)
2003-09-09  9:57                   ` Peter Werner
2003-09-15 22:57                     ` H.Rosmanith (Kernel Mailing List)
2003-08-27 16:10       ` Bas Mevissen
     [not found] <mMAP.NQ.15@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <mMUh.12N.19@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <mUI5.7Hp.27@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-08-21 12:35     ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-08-22  1:06       ` jw schultz

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