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From: Timothy Miller <miller@techsource.com>
To: Felipe Alfaro Solana <felipe_alfaro@linuxmail.org>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Use of AI for process scheduling
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 19:01:21 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3F5D0A41.9090807@techsource.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1063060111.1224.2.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com



Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 21:28, Timothy Miller wrote:
> 
> 
>>Basically, we need to write and install into the kernel an AI engine
>>which uses user feedback about the "feel" of the system to adjust
>>heuristics dynamically.  For instance, if the user sees that the system
>>is misbehaving, they can pause the system in the kernel debugger,
>>examine process priorities, and indicate what "outputs" from the AI
>>engine are wrong.  It then learns from that.  Heuristics can be tweaked
>>until things run as desired.  At that point, scheduler developers trade
>>emails in the AI heuristic language.
> 
> 
> I'm no kernel expert but I think that doing what you suggest would take
> an enormous amount of time and resources to do. Also, the scheduler must
> be a real-time piece of software, and needs to take decisions as fast
> and as accurately as possible. I think that implementing an IA-like
> engine would take an great deal of resources. By the time the IA-like
> scheduler has taken its decision, the whole world could have changed
> since.

The AI scheduler is only used for _development_.

For deployment, the rules learned from the AI scheduler are converted to 
C code (or compiled directly to machine language) and used in real-time. 
  I don't expect the rules to be so complex that the C version would use 
much more CPU than the current interactive schedulers being worked on by 
Con, Ingo, and Nick.

During development, the AI scheduler would be used in real-time, and 
that would have a significant effect on the performance of the system. 
But since it's a constant, the relative interactive behavior should be 
about the same between AI and deployed versions, even though the AI 
version uses a lot more CPU time in the kernel.  That is, if the system 
works well with the AI scheduler, it'll work even BETTER with the 
compiled version.


  reply	other threads:[~2003-09-08 22:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-09-08 19:28 Use of AI for process scheduling Timothy Miller
2003-09-08 21:55 ` Jeff Sipek
2003-09-08 22:56   ` Timothy Miller
2003-09-08 22:28 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-09-08 23:01   ` Timothy Miller [this message]
2003-09-08 23:57     ` David Lang
2003-09-09  0:34       ` Timothy Miller
2003-09-09  1:40         ` Robin Rosenberg
2003-09-09  1:57           ` Robin Rosenberg
2003-09-09 15:16           ` Timothy Miller
2003-09-09 15:14             ` Robin Rosenberg
2003-09-08 22:57 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-08 23:06   ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-08 23:14     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-09  0:22       ` Timothy Miller
2003-09-09  1:05         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-09 15:08           ` Timothy Miller
2003-09-09 17:47             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-09  0:06     ` Timothy Miller
2003-09-09  1:19       ` Rick Lindsley
2003-09-09 15:11         ` Timothy Miller
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-09-09 19:05 John Yau
2003-09-08 18:57 Timothy Miller

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