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From: Eli Billauer <eli_billauer@users.sf.net>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] frandom - fast random generator module
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:27:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3F8E8EA8.8030707@users.sf.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3F8E8101.70009@pobox.com>

Jeff Garzik wrote:

>> Besides, it's quite easy to do something wrong with random numbers. 
>> By having a good source of random data, I suppose we can spare a lot 
>> of people the headache of getting their own user-space application 
>> right for the one-off thing they want to do.
>
>
> This is completely bogus logic.  I can use this (incorrect) argument 
> to similar push for applications doing bsearch(3) or qsort(3) via a 
> system call.
>
My argument, possibly better formulated, asks the following questions:

(1) How much good will the existence of an standard /dev/frandom device 
do? Is it going to be used?
(2) How much space will it take up in the kernel tarball?
(3) How much disk space will it take after compilation?
(4) How much compilation time will it take up?
(5) How much effort is it going to be to maintain it?

(If we use it as a kernel module, we don't even have to consider the 
little kernel memory it takes up)

If I've missed some other pragmatic consideration, by all means tell me.

Now, I think that (1) wins (2)-(5). I can comment on maintaining the 
module after making it compatible with 2.2 and 2.6: It's a simple 
character device, with the most basic adaptions to it.

I actually agree that the kernel isn't "the right place" for a random 
generator. I simply think that having it there is useful, with a very 
low cost.

   Eli



  reply	other threads:[~2003-10-16 12:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-10-16  8:22 [RFC] frandom - fast random generator module Eli Billauer
2003-10-16  8:36 ` Nick Piggin
2003-10-16 10:20   ` Eli Billauer
2003-10-16 10:48     ` Nick Piggin
2003-10-16 11:29     ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 12:27       ` Eli Billauer [this message]
2003-10-16 15:10         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 16:20       ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-16 16:31         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 18:18           ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-16 18:52             ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-10-16 19:31             ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-16 20:40               ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-16 21:03             ` David Wagner
2003-10-16 23:17             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 23:42               ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-17  0:34                 ` David Wagner
2003-10-16 17:45         ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-16 18:38           ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-16 19:08             ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-16 20:27               ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-16 20:37                 ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-16 17:31       ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-16 23:03         ` Eli Billauer
2003-10-16 23:07           ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 23:13           ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-16 23:35           ` jw schultz
2003-10-21 19:24       ` bill davidsen
2003-10-21 19:55       ` bill davidsen
2003-10-21 21:21         ` Helge Hafting
2003-10-21 22:18           ` bill davidsen
2003-10-22  1:04             ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-10-21 19:17   ` bill davidsen
2003-10-21 21:00     ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-10-21 22:08       ` bill davidsen
2003-10-22  1:06         ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-10-22  2:56           ` jw schultz
2003-10-22 16:22             ` Kent Borg
2003-10-23  2:46               ` Dale Farnsworth
2003-10-23  3:22               ` Sandy Harris
2003-10-23 14:15                 ` Kent Borg
2003-10-24 17:37                 ` bill davidsen
2003-10-24 17:54                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-10-24 20:59                   ` David Wagner
2003-10-24 21:33                     ` jw schultz
2003-10-22  3:49           ` Sandy Harris
2003-10-16 10:45 ` Ingo Oeser
2003-10-21 19:30   ` bill davidsen
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     [not found]         ` <Hjkw.3Al.11@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-16 17:46           ` David Mosberger-Tang
2003-10-16 19:28             ` Eli Billauer
2003-10-16 20:42               ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-21 19:46                 ` bill davidsen
2003-10-16 21:30               ` Matt Mackall

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