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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: Andreas Dilger <adilger@clusterfs.com>
Cc: Eli Billauer <eli_billauer@users.sourceforge.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>
Subject: Re: [RFC] frandom - fast random generator module
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:31:12 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3F8EC7D0.5000003@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20031016102020.A7000@schatzie.adilger.int>

Andreas Dilger wrote:
> Actually, there are several applications of low-cost RNG inside the kernel.
> 
> For Lustre we need a low-cost RNG for generating opaque 64-bit handles in
> the kernel.  The use of get_random_bytes() showed up near the top of
> our profiles and we had to invent our own low-cost crappy PRNG instead (it's
> good enough for the time being, but when we start working on real security
> it won't be enough).
> 
> The tcp sequence numbers probably do not need to be crypto-secure (I could
> of course be wrong on that ;-) and with GigE or 10GigE I imagine the number
> of packets being sent would put a strain on the current random pool.


We don't need "low cost RNG" and "high cost RNG" in the same kernel. 
That just begs a "reduce RNG cost" solution...  I think security experts 
can easily come up with arguments as to why creating your own "low-cost 
crappy PRNG" isn't needed -- you either need crypto-secure, or you 
don't.  If you don't, then you could just as easily create an ascending 
64-bit number for your opaque filehandle, or use a hash value, or some 
other solution that doesn't require an additional PRNG in the kernel.

For VIA CPUs, life is easy.  Use xstore insn and "You've got bytes!"  :)

	Jeff




  reply	other threads:[~2003-10-16 16:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-10-16  8:22 [RFC] frandom - fast random generator module Eli Billauer
2003-10-16  8:36 ` Nick Piggin
2003-10-16 10:20   ` Eli Billauer
2003-10-16 10:48     ` Nick Piggin
2003-10-16 11:29     ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 12:27       ` Eli Billauer
2003-10-16 15:10         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 16:20       ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-16 16:31         ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2003-10-16 18:18           ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-16 18:52             ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-10-16 19:31             ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-16 20:40               ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-16 21:03             ` David Wagner
2003-10-16 23:17             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 23:42               ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-17  0:34                 ` David Wagner
2003-10-16 17:45         ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-16 18:38           ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-16 19:08             ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-16 20:27               ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-16 20:37                 ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-16 17:31       ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-16 23:03         ` Eli Billauer
2003-10-16 23:07           ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 23:13           ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-16 23:35           ` jw schultz
2003-10-21 19:24       ` bill davidsen
2003-10-21 19:55       ` bill davidsen
2003-10-21 21:21         ` Helge Hafting
2003-10-21 22:18           ` bill davidsen
2003-10-22  1:04             ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-10-21 19:17   ` bill davidsen
2003-10-21 21:00     ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-10-21 22:08       ` bill davidsen
2003-10-22  1:06         ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-10-22  2:56           ` jw schultz
2003-10-22 16:22             ` Kent Borg
2003-10-23  2:46               ` Dale Farnsworth
2003-10-23  3:22               ` Sandy Harris
2003-10-23 14:15                 ` Kent Borg
2003-10-24 17:37                 ` bill davidsen
2003-10-24 17:54                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-10-24 20:59                   ` David Wagner
2003-10-24 21:33                     ` jw schultz
2003-10-22  3:49           ` Sandy Harris
2003-10-16 10:45 ` Ingo Oeser
2003-10-21 19:30   ` bill davidsen
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2003-10-16 17:46           ` David Mosberger-Tang
2003-10-16 19:28             ` Eli Billauer
2003-10-16 20:42               ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-21 19:46                 ` bill davidsen
2003-10-16 21:30               ` Matt Mackall

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