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From: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>
To: Giuliano Pochini <pochini@denise.shiny.it>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Things that Longhorn seems to be doing right
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:55:26 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3FA0E00E.3060804@namesys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0310300943430.14300@denise.shiny.it>

Giuliano Pochini wrote:

>On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Hans Reiser wrote:
>
>  
>
>>>We can do this simply by associating UUID's to files, and storing the
>>>the file metadata in a MySQL database which can be searched via
>>>appropriate userspace libraries which we provide.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>What a performance nightmare.  Updating a user space database every time
>>a file changes --- let's move to a micro-kernel architecture for all of
>>the kernel the same day.....;-)
>>    
>>
>
>If applications do not cooperate explicitly, there is no other way than
>scanning the files after they have been modified. Sure, it's slow, but
>there is no need to do the work immediately. Take into account the MS's
>goal is to make the system seem fast to the normal (desktop) user. I
>guess that system is aimed to speedup searches in word and text files,
>not in the whole filesystem. And the normal desktop user do write files
>only sometimes, so performance isn't a problem (unless you're copying a
>whole CD of word files into the HD). I think that intercepting
>open,write,close is enough to provide the same functionality in Linux.
>
>
>--
>Giuliano.
>
>
>  
>
I was not very articulate here.  I agree that automatic text indexing 
should be done with a lag in batches for performance reasons, rather 
than in the BeFS style.  I also think that it should not be done for all 
files, that the user should have control over what he runs the indexer 
on, and what indexer he likes to run, and what settings it uses, etc.  
In particular, the user should be free to index by hand.

All that said, the indexes themselves should just be feature enhanced 
directories accessed via the kernel.  Feature enhancements might include 
such things as better space efficiency, ordering plugins, etc.

-- 
Hans



  reply	other threads:[~2003-10-30  9:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-10-29  8:50 Things that Longhorn seems to be doing right Hans Reiser
2003-10-29 22:42 ` Erik Andersen
2003-10-29 23:03   ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-29 22:25     ` Dax Kelson
2003-10-30  0:20       ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30  0:54         ` Neil Brown
2003-10-30  1:34           ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30  2:54             ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-10-30  2:58               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2003-10-30  3:16               ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30  5:28                 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-30  5:56                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-10-30  3:16             ` Neil Brown
2003-10-30  3:39               ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30 10:27             ` Thorsten Körner
2003-10-30 21:28             ` jlnance
2003-10-30 22:29               ` Måns Rullgård
2003-10-31  2:03                 ` Daniel B.
2003-10-31  1:04               ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2003-10-30  2:09         ` Alex Belits
2003-10-30  3:12           ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30  4:21             ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-10-31 16:42               ` Timothy Miller
2003-10-31 19:15                 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-30  9:52             ` Ingo Oeser
2003-10-30  4:06           ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-10-30  1:52   ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-10-30  2:03     ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30  9:23       ` Ingo Oeser
2003-10-30  3:57     ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-10-30  4:08       ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-30 13:46       ` Jesse Pollard
2003-10-31  4:50       ` Stephen Satchell
2003-10-30  7:33     ` Diego Calleja García
2003-10-30  8:43       ` Giuliano Pochini
2003-10-30  8:05     ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-30  8:17       ` Wichert Akkerman
2003-10-30 11:59         ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-30  9:14       ` Giuliano Pochini
2003-10-30  9:55         ` Hans Reiser [this message]
2003-10-30 17:48       ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-10-30 19:23         ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-30 20:31           ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-10-31  7:40             ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-31 19:30               ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-10-31 20:47                 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-31 13:59                   ` Herman
2003-10-31 21:23                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-01 18:30                       ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-31 21:08                   ` David S. Miller
2003-11-02 21:42                     ` Hans Reiser
2003-11-03 12:42                 ` Nikita Danilov
2003-11-03 16:58                   ` Timothy Miller
2003-11-04  8:13                     ` Hans Reiser
2003-11-05 13:51                       ` Ingo Oeser
2003-11-05  2:07                         ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-31 11:01         ` Kenneth Johansson
2003-10-31 13:52           ` Jesse Pollard
2003-10-30 11:21     ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-10-30  7:25 ` Christian Axelsson
2003-10-30  8:10   ` Hans Reiser
     [not found] ` <200311011731.10052.ioe-lkml@rameria.de>
     [not found]   ` <3FA3FF46.7010309@namesys.com>
2003-11-03 10:55     ` Ingo Oeser
2003-11-04  8:10       ` Hans Reiser
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     [not found] ` <M7iG.41B.7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <MagC.82U.7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <Maqe.8l3.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-30 11:10       ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-10-30 17:23         ` Alex Belits
2003-10-31  1:46           ` Daniel B.
2003-10-31  1:57             ` Philippe Troin
     [not found]     ` <Mcig.2uf.1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <Mcs2.2FJ.5@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-30 12:04         ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
     [not found]     ` <Mg2B.7wf.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <Mh8n.BT.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <MhLf.1pF.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-30 12:16           ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-11-02 13:11 Brian Beattie
2003-11-02 17:15 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-11-03 19:35   ` Brian Beattie
2003-11-03 20:17     ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-03 20:23       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-11-03 20:54         ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-03 21:01           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-11-03 22:06             ` Måns Rullgård
2003-11-04  8:47           ` Michael Clark
2003-11-04 12:47             ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-04 14:02           ` Brian Beattie
2003-11-03 20:55         ` Roland Dreier
2003-11-04  0:35     ` Daniel B.
2003-11-04 14:05       ` Brian Beattie

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