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From: Timothy Miller <miller@techsource.com>
To: Scott Robert Ladd <coyote@coyotegulch.com>
Cc: trelane@digitasaru.net,
	Alex Belits <abelits@phobos.illtel.denver.co.us>,
	Dax Kelson <dax@gurulabs.com>, Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>,
	andersen@codepoet.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Things that Longhorn seems to be doing right
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:42:35 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3FA290FB.1050307@techsource.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3FA091BD.2020701@coyotegulch.com



Scott Robert Ladd wrote:

> 
> Another problem with metadata is that it is largely generated by the 
> user, who is notoriously lazy. A truly powerful system would use 
> contextual analysis and other  algorithms to automatically generate 
> metadata, freeing the user from an onerous task (which is what computers 
> should do). Certainly, some search engiens are bordering on this 
> capability.
> 

There is a French company called Pertimm which develops a search engine 
that does this with documents.  It even does cross-language queries 
based on sophistocated linguistic analysis.  Often, I wish google had 
some of those features, if even a primitive synonym table.

The relevance here, though, is that the Pertimm index is much larger 
than the actual text that be being indexed.  That's not a problem, 
really, because the same is true for google.  You need that for 
efficient searches.  But there is no place for such a thing in a file 
system.  I don't think any Linux developers would want the metadata to 
even APPROACH the size of the file data, let alone get LARGER.

Indexing of this sort has its place, but applying it to a whole file 
system is much too broad of a use.  For instance, you wouldn't want to 
index the contents of your binary programs, or even shell scripts for 
that matter.  So text, data, and code need to have different kinds of 
indexing.


  reply	other threads:[~2003-10-31 16:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-10-29  8:50 Things that Longhorn seems to be doing right Hans Reiser
2003-10-29 22:42 ` Erik Andersen
2003-10-29 23:03   ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-29 22:25     ` Dax Kelson
2003-10-30  0:20       ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30  0:54         ` Neil Brown
2003-10-30  1:34           ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30  2:54             ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-10-30  2:58               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2003-10-30  3:16               ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30  5:28                 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-30  5:56                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-10-30  3:16             ` Neil Brown
2003-10-30  3:39               ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30 10:27             ` Thorsten Körner
2003-10-30 21:28             ` jlnance
2003-10-30 22:29               ` Måns Rullgård
2003-10-31  2:03                 ` Daniel B.
2003-10-31  1:04               ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2003-10-30  2:09         ` Alex Belits
2003-10-30  3:12           ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30  4:21             ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-10-31 16:42               ` Timothy Miller [this message]
2003-10-31 19:15                 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-30  9:52             ` Ingo Oeser
2003-10-30  4:06           ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-10-30  1:52   ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-10-30  2:03     ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30  9:23       ` Ingo Oeser
2003-10-30  3:57     ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-10-30  4:08       ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-30 13:46       ` Jesse Pollard
2003-10-31  4:50       ` Stephen Satchell
2003-10-30  7:33     ` Diego Calleja García
2003-10-30  8:43       ` Giuliano Pochini
2003-10-30  8:05     ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-30  8:17       ` Wichert Akkerman
2003-10-30 11:59         ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-30  9:14       ` Giuliano Pochini
2003-10-30  9:55         ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-30 17:48       ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-10-30 19:23         ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-30 20:31           ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-10-31  7:40             ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-31 19:30               ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-10-31 20:47                 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-31 13:59                   ` Herman
2003-10-31 21:23                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-01 18:30                       ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-31 21:08                   ` David S. Miller
2003-11-02 21:42                     ` Hans Reiser
2003-11-03 12:42                 ` Nikita Danilov
2003-11-03 16:58                   ` Timothy Miller
2003-11-04  8:13                     ` Hans Reiser
2003-11-05 13:51                       ` Ingo Oeser
2003-11-05  2:07                         ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-31 11:01         ` Kenneth Johansson
2003-10-31 13:52           ` Jesse Pollard
2003-10-30 11:21     ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-10-30  7:25 ` Christian Axelsson
2003-10-30  8:10   ` Hans Reiser
     [not found] ` <200311011731.10052.ioe-lkml@rameria.de>
     [not found]   ` <3FA3FF46.7010309@namesys.com>
2003-11-03 10:55     ` Ingo Oeser
2003-11-04  8:10       ` Hans Reiser
     [not found] <LUlv.31e.5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <M7iG.41B.7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <MagC.82U.7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <Maqe.8l3.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-30 11:10       ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-10-30 17:23         ` Alex Belits
2003-10-31  1:46           ` Daniel B.
2003-10-31  1:57             ` Philippe Troin
     [not found]     ` <Mcig.2uf.1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <Mcs2.2FJ.5@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-30 12:04         ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
     [not found]     ` <Mg2B.7wf.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <Mh8n.BT.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <MhLf.1pF.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-30 12:16           ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-11-02 13:11 Brian Beattie
2003-11-02 17:15 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-11-03 19:35   ` Brian Beattie
2003-11-03 20:17     ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-03 20:23       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-11-03 20:54         ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-03 21:01           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-11-03 22:06             ` Måns Rullgård
2003-11-04  8:47           ` Michael Clark
2003-11-04 12:47             ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-04 14:02           ` Brian Beattie
2003-11-03 20:55         ` Roland Dreier
2003-11-04  0:35     ` Daniel B.
2003-11-04 14:05       ` Brian Beattie

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