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From: Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>
To: Neil Brown <neilb@cse.unsw.edu.au>
Cc: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
	Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
	jt@hpl.hp.com,
	Linux kernel mailing list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Pontus Fuchs <pof@users.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: Announce: ndiswrapper
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:49:05 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3FBC47C1.6040209@cyberone.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <16316.17526.900850.239502@notabene.cse.unsw.edu.au>



Neil Brown wrote:

>On Thursday November 20, piggin@cyberone.com.au wrote:
>
>>You have to admit its good for end users though. And indirectly, what
>>is good for them is good for us. Take the nvidia example: end users get
>>either a binary driver or nothing. If we were somehow able to stop
>>nvidia from distributing their binary driver, they would say "OK".
>>
>
>Is it good for end users?  It allows them to buy a computer with an
>nvidia graphics controller because "NVidia supply drivers", and then
>discover that support is only as good as NVidia are willing to make
>it.  I'm still waiting for some sort of power management support for
>the nvidia controller in my notebook.  If the driver and the specs
>were open, I could possibly do it myself.  On the other hand if there
>were no NVidia drivers, I never would have made the (arguable) mistake
>of buying this notebook.
>

I'm all for open specs, but in reality that doesn't always happen.
(out of interest, are there any OS 3d drivers for any current cards?)

I know what you mean, but I would find nvidia more at fault for not
providing power management than no OS drivers.

>
>Ofcourse we cannot and should not stop people from providing the
>option of binary only drivers, but I'm not convinced that we should
>acknowlege that people who provide binary-only drivers are doing a
>useful service for anyone but themselves.
>

No I wouldn't say that, I meant the Linux Kernel is doing the end users
a favour by allowing binary modules.



  reply	other threads:[~2003-11-20  4:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-11-20  3:11 Announce: ndiswrapper Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-20  3:26 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-11-20  3:34   ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-21 12:05     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-11-21 17:25       ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-21 17:30         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-11-21 17:43           ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-11-21 17:48           ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-21 17:50         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-11-20  4:00   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20  4:16     ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-20  4:35       ` Neil Brown
2003-11-20  4:49         ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2003-11-20  4:57           ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-11-20  5:05             ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-20  6:50               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-11-20  5:27           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20  5:36             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-11-20  5:36             ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-20  4:38       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20  4:59         ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-20  5:12           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20  5:27             ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-24 15:40               ` Rik van Riel
2003-11-20 12:41           ` Diego Calleja García
2003-11-20 13:04             ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-11-20 20:24             ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2003-11-20  5:11         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-11-20  9:56         ` Ingo Oeser
2003-11-20 13:15           ` Ralph Metzler
2003-11-20  6:52       ` Matt Mackall
2003-11-20  7:40         ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-20 10:13         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-11-20 10:17           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20 22:47             ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-20 22:59               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20 23:26                 ` Oliver Hunt
2003-11-20 23:32                 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-20 13:19         ` Gene Heskett
2003-11-20 23:15         ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-20  5:25     ` Jeff Garzik
2003-11-20  5:26       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20  6:54         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-11-20 17:27           ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-20 23:57             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-11-21  0:03               ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-20 16:47       ` Jason Lunz
2003-11-20 17:36         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-11-20 17:24     ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-20 17:48       ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-20 18:03       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20 23:01       ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-21  5:48         ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-21  7:26           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-11-21  7:37             ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-21  7:47             ` Nuno Silva
2003-11-21  7:51               ` Linus Torvalds
2003-11-20 10:55 ` Pavel Machek
2003-11-20 17:22   ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-20 23:04 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-20 23:45   ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-21 17:08     ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-23 23:13 ` Jan Rychter
     [not found] <TNwv.6Lz.7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <TPHV.1vf.1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <TQXu.420.11@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-11-21  2:53     ` Andrew Miklas
2003-11-21 10:33       ` Maciej Zenczykowski
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-11-20 23:53 Mudama, Eric
2003-11-21  0:00 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-21  1:01   ` Bob McElrath
2003-11-24 17:42     ` Pavel Machek
2003-11-21  7:58   ` Jan De Luyck
2003-11-21  8:59   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-11-18 11:02 Pontus Fuchs
2003-11-18 12:51 ` Christian Axelsson
2003-11-18 13:26   ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-11-18 13:37     ` Christian Axelsson
2003-11-18 13:49     ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-18 14:02       ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-11-18 13:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-11-18 14:14   ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-11-18 14:49     ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-11-18 15:31       ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-11-18 14:19   ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-18 14:31   ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-18 22:22 ` Pavel Machek

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