From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>,
Neil Brown <neilb@cse.unsw.edu.au>,
jt@hpl.hp.com,
Linux kernel mailing list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Pontus Fuchs <pof@users.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: Announce: ndiswrapper
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:36:06 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3FBC52C6.4070101@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20031120052714.GH19856@holomorphy.com>
William Lee Irwin III wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 03:49:05PM +1100, Nick Piggin wrote:
>
>>I'm all for open specs, but in reality that doesn't always happen.
>>(out of interest, are there any OS 3d drivers for any current cards?)
>>I know what you mean, but I would find nvidia more at fault for not
>>providing power management than no OS drivers.
>
>
> The rationales for closed specs are bogus, so I have zero sympathy.
Definitely agreed.
When I am forced to sign NDAs to get hardware specs, the hardware IP
"revealed" is inevitably something that some other company has done
before, and done better. NDAs and closed specs are IMO only used by
vendors to save face, when their hardware design is stupid, and their
errata innumerable.
Jeff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-11-20 5:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-11-20 3:11 Announce: ndiswrapper Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-20 3:26 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-11-20 3:34 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-21 12:05 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-11-21 17:25 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-21 17:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-11-21 17:43 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-11-21 17:48 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-21 17:50 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-11-20 4:00 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20 4:16 ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-20 4:35 ` Neil Brown
2003-11-20 4:49 ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-20 4:57 ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-11-20 5:05 ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-20 6:50 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-11-20 5:27 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20 5:36 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2003-11-20 5:36 ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-20 4:38 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20 4:59 ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-20 5:12 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20 5:27 ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-24 15:40 ` Rik van Riel
2003-11-20 12:41 ` Diego Calleja García
2003-11-20 13:04 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-11-20 20:24 ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2003-11-20 5:11 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-11-20 9:56 ` Ingo Oeser
2003-11-20 13:15 ` Ralph Metzler
2003-11-20 6:52 ` Matt Mackall
2003-11-20 7:40 ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-20 10:13 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-11-20 10:17 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20 22:47 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-20 22:59 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20 23:26 ` Oliver Hunt
2003-11-20 23:32 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-20 13:19 ` Gene Heskett
2003-11-20 23:15 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-20 5:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-11-20 5:26 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20 6:54 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-11-20 17:27 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-20 23:57 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-11-21 0:03 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-20 16:47 ` Jason Lunz
2003-11-20 17:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-11-20 17:24 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-20 17:48 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-20 18:03 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20 23:01 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-21 5:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-21 7:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-11-21 7:37 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-21 7:47 ` Nuno Silva
2003-11-21 7:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-11-20 10:55 ` Pavel Machek
2003-11-20 17:22 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-20 23:04 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-20 23:45 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-21 17:08 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-23 23:13 ` Jan Rychter
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[not found] ` <TPHV.1vf.1@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <TQXu.420.11@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-11-21 2:53 ` Andrew Miklas
2003-11-21 10:33 ` Maciej Zenczykowski
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-11-20 23:53 Mudama, Eric
2003-11-21 0:00 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-21 1:01 ` Bob McElrath
2003-11-24 17:42 ` Pavel Machek
2003-11-21 7:58 ` Jan De Luyck
2003-11-21 8:59 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-11-18 11:02 Pontus Fuchs
2003-11-18 12:51 ` Christian Axelsson
2003-11-18 13:26 ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-11-18 13:37 ` Christian Axelsson
2003-11-18 13:49 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-18 14:02 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-11-18 13:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-11-18 14:14 ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-11-18 14:49 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-11-18 15:31 ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-11-18 14:19 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-18 14:31 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-18 22:22 ` Pavel Machek
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