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From: Vladimir Kondratiev <vladimir.kondratiev@intel.com>
To: Gabriel Paubert <paubert@iram.es>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@redhat.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo@conectiva.com.br>,
	Martin Mares <mj@ucw.cz>,
	zaitcev@redhat.com, hch@infradead.org
Subject: Re: PCI Express support for 2.4 kernel
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:44:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3FDDACA9.1050600@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20031215103142.GA8735@iram.es>

Gabriel Paubert wrote:

>>Sanity check do pretty good job here. If it is not PCI-E 
>>platform, this address in physical memory will not be connected to 
>>anything real. You will get 0xff's.
>>    
>>
>
>Or a machine check on some architectures which make you know that 
>they don't like a bus cycle which terminates on a master abort.
>  
>
Could you elaborate a bit? This code is for pci-pc.c, it is platform 
specific.
Are there surprises on pc platform? What is visible behavour in this case?

>The major problem I see is that using up 256 Mb of kernel virtual address 
>space for accessing PCI config space is gross. Besides that it won't
>work for 32 bit machines with 768 Mb of RAM or more.
>
>I believe that it would be better to use kmap/kunmap like tricks, especially 
>for something which is relatively infrequent. You could even reserve
>a fixmap entry for this and keep somewhere a pointer to the PTE, which 
>would be modified on every config space access (config space access was
>already properly serialized last time I looked, I believe that all you need 
>is a TLB flush after the PTE is updated).
>
>I have no strong opinion on how to handle 64 bit archs.
>  
>
I should be missing something here. You have 256M of physical address 
space at 0xe0000000 occupied.
You can do nothing with it, it is simply present. Then, ioremap maps it 
somewhere in high memory.
It should not conflict with kernel RAM, for which trivial mapping (+3G) 
used.

>  
>
>>>Further, PCI posting:  a writeb() / writew() / writel() will not be 
>>>flushed immediately to the processor.  The CPU and/or PCI bridge may 
>>>post (delay/combine) such writes.  I do not think this is a desireable 
>>>effect, for PCI config register accesses.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>Good point. Fixed.
>>    
>>
>
>Here I'm somehwat lost. Writes to uncacheable RAM will be in program 
>order and never combined. The bridge itself should not post writes to 
>config space. So it's a matter of pushing the write to the processor
>bus, a PCI read looks very heavy for this. Isn't there a more
>lightweight solution ?
>  
>
I am not expert here. I know that PCI-E bridge completes its transaction 
before data actually get to memory. Each intermediate bridge may do its 
own buffering. Besides read, I know nothing that will make you sure data 
reaches final destination. I'd appreciate if someone who knows better 
will step in. Config write is not very often procedure, I don't think 
extra read will make  any difference. I'll look for qualified person 
around, to consult on this issue.

Vladimir.


  reply	other threads:[~2003-12-15 12:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-12-14 20:00 PCI Express support for 2.4 kernel Vladimir Kondratiev
2003-12-14 20:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-12-15 10:01   ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2003-12-15 10:31     ` Gabriel Paubert
2003-12-15 12:44       ` Vladimir Kondratiev [this message]
2003-12-15 13:15         ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-12-15 13:58           ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2003-12-15 14:31             ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-12-15 14:44             ` Brian Gerst
2003-12-15 18:40             ` Greg KH
2003-12-15 19:23             ` Alan Cox
2003-12-15 20:00             ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-16 10:20               ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2003-12-16 16:47                 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-17  6:30                   ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2003-12-17  6:46                     ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-17  6:55                       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-12-17  7:24                         ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2003-12-17 16:17                           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-17  8:22                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-12-17 10:35                           ` Martin Mares
2003-12-17 23:06                           ` Alan Cox
2003-12-17 10:08                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-12-17 15:54                         ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-17 16:14                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-12-17 17:44                           ` Dan Hopper
2003-12-17 18:14                             ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2003-12-17 21:44                         ` Martin Mares
2003-12-16 17:10                 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-12-16 17:48                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-12-16 17:55                     ` Jeff Garzik
2003-12-16 22:39                     ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2003-12-17  0:12                       ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-12-16 21:59                   ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2003-12-16 17:45                 ` Greg KH
2003-12-16 22:14                   ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2003-12-17 10:05                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-12-15 15:57       ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2003-12-15 10:42     ` Martin Mares
2003-12-15 10:07 ` Greg KH
2003-12-15 11:20   ` Vladimir Kondratiev
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2003-12-15 21:56     ` Andi Kleen
2003-12-15 22:48       ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2003-12-15 23:06         ` Andi Kleen
2003-12-15 23:14         ` Greg KH
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-12-15 20:08 Nakajima, Jun
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2003-12-15 15:52 ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2003-12-15 16:08   ` Kevin P. Fleming
2003-12-15 16:38     ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2003-12-15 16:55       ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-12-15 17:08         ` Tomas Szepe
2003-12-15 18:03           ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-12-15 18:15             ` Tomas Szepe
2003-12-15 18:35               ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-12-15 18:43                 ` Keith Owens
2003-12-15 18:45                 ` Tomas Szepe
2003-12-15 17:24         ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2003-12-15 17:22           ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-12-15 18:16           ` Greg KH
2003-12-15 18:20           ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-12-15 17:09   ` Keith Owens
2003-12-15 17:38     ` Tomas Szepe
2003-12-15 18:16       ` Keith Owens
2003-12-15 18:23         ` Tomas Szepe
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2003-12-15 10:17     ` Andi Kleen
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2003-12-16 17:44                 ` Andi Kleen
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     [not found]                   ` <13vyg-43O-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-12-16 22:18                     ` Andi Kleen
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     [not found]                           ` <13SY1-35z-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-12-17 23:22                             ` Andi Kleen
2003-12-17 23:38                               ` Alan Cox
     [not found] ` <12XQc-7Vs-29@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <12Z5u-1tG-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-12-15 14:58     ` Andi Kleen
2003-12-15 15:40       ` Vladimir Kondratiev
     [not found] <3FDCA569.5070006@pobox.com>
2003-12-15  4:47 ` Pete Zaitcev
2003-12-14 17:28 Vladimir Kondratiev
2003-12-15  7:48 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-12-15 18:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-15 20:03   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-12-15 22:00     ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-16  4:53       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-12-15 20:21   ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2003-12-15 20:36     ` Jeff Garzik

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