From: Mike Waychison <Michael.Waychison@Sun.COM>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Ian Kent <raven@themaw.net>,
Mike Waychison <Michael.Waychison@Sun.COM>,
autofs mailing list <autofs@linux.kernel.org>,
Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [autofs] [RFC] Towards a Modern Autofs
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 14:41:52 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3FFDB280.90504@sun.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3FFD9498.6030905@zytor.com>
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H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> Ian Kent wrote:
>
>>
>> If wildcard map entries are not in autofs v3 then Jeremy implemented this
>> in v4.
>>
>
> v3 has had wildcard map entries and substitutions for a very, very, very
> long time... it was a v2 feature, in fact.
>
>> And yes the host map is basically a program map and that's all. Worse, as
>> pointed out in the paper it mounts everything under it. This is a source
>> of stress for mount and umount. I have put in a fair bit of time on ugly
>> hacks to work around this. This same problem is also evident in startup
>> and shutdown for master maps with a good number of entries (~50 or more).
>> A consequence of the current multiple daemon approach.
>
>
> This is why one wants to implement a mount tree with "direct mount
> pads"; which also means keeping some state in the daemon.
>
> For example, let's say one has a mount tree like:
>
> /foo server1:/export/foo \
> /foo/bar server1:/export/bar \
> /bar server2:/export/bar
>
> ... then you actually have four diffenent filesystems involved: first,
> some kind of "scaffolding" (this can be part of the autofs filesystem
> itself or a ramfs) that hold the "foo" and "bar" directories, and then
> foo, foo/bar, and bar.
>
> Consider the following implementation: when one encounters the above,
> the daemon stashes this away as an already-encountered map entry (in
> case the map entries change, we don't want to be inconsistent), creates
> a ramfs for the scaffolding, creates the "foo" and "bar" subdirectories
> and mount-traps "foo" and "bar". Then it releases userspace. When it
> encounters an access on "foo", it gets invoked again, looks it up in its
> "partial mounts" state, then mounts "foo" and mount-traps "foo/bar",
> then releases userspace.
>
> In many ways this returns to the simplicity of the autofs v3 design
> where the atomicity constraints where guaranteed by the VFS itself, *as
> long as* mount traps can be atomically destroyed with umounting the
> underlying filesystem.
>
Great!
This is exactly what I found when looking into the situation. However,
namespaces still break automounting unless you can rid yourself of the
daemon. Move events into call_usermodehelper calls in current's
namespace and maintain what little state you need as a set of tokens.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-01-08 19:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-01-06 19:55 [RFC] Towards a Modern Autofs Mike Waychison
2004-01-06 21:01 ` [autofs] " H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-06 21:44 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-06 21:50 ` Tim Hockin
2004-01-06 22:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-06 22:17 ` Tim Hockin
[not found] ` <20040106221502.GA7398@hockin.org>
2004-01-06 22:20 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-07 16:19 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-07 17:55 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-07 21:13 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-06 22:28 ` name spaces good (was: [autofs] [RFC] Towards a Modern Autofs) Dax Kelson
2004-01-06 22:48 ` name spaces good H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-07 21:14 ` [autofs] [RFC] Towards a Modern Autofs Jim Carter
2004-01-07 22:55 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-08 12:00 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 15:39 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 18:20 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-09 20:06 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-10 5:43 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-12 13:07 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-12 16:01 ` raven
2004-01-12 16:26 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-12 22:50 ` Tim Hockin
2004-01-12 23:28 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-13 1:30 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-12 16:28 ` raven
2004-01-12 16:58 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-13 1:54 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-13 19:01 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-14 15:58 ` raven
2004-01-13 18:46 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 20:51 ` Jim Carter
2004-01-10 5:56 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 17:34 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-08 19:41 ` Mike Waychison [this message]
2004-01-08 23:42 ` Michael Clark
2004-01-09 20:28 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 20:54 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-09 21:43 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 18:32 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-09 20:52 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-10 6:05 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 12:29 ` Olivier Galibert
2004-01-08 13:20 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-01-08 16:23 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-08 12:35 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 13:08 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 18:20 ` Jim Carter
2004-01-08 21:01 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-08 0:48 ` Ian Kent
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-01-06 22:28 Ogden, Aaron A.
2004-01-06 22:41 ` Mike Fedyk
2004-01-06 22:47 ` Tim Hockin
2004-01-06 22:53 ` Paul Raines
2004-01-07 23:14 ` Jim Carter
2004-01-07 23:32 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-08 12:52 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 18:31 ` viro
2004-01-09 18:43 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-09 19:41 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 19:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-09 21:31 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 21:36 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-06 23:34 Ogden, Aaron A.
2004-01-06 23:47 ` Tim Hockin
[not found] <1b5GC-29h-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <1b6CO-3v0-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-01-07 4:21 ` Andi Kleen
2004-01-07 17:50 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-07 21:04 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-07 21:11 ` Mike Fedyk
2004-01-07 23:40 ` Jesper Juhl
2004-01-07 21:24 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-01-07 23:47 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-07 23:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-01-12 16:57 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-13 7:39 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 19:32 trond.myklebust
2004-01-08 19:41 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-08 20:08 ` trond.myklebust
2004-01-08 21:13 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-08 22:20 ` J. Bruce Fields
2004-01-08 22:24 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-09 20:37 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 21:02 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-09 21:52 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 20:16 ` Mike Waychison
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