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From: Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com>
To: oss-security@lists.openwall.com,
	Richard Kettlewell <rjk@terraraq.uk>,
	Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>,
	Linux kernel mailing list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [oss-security] CVE-2026-31431: CopyFail: linux local privilege scalation
Date: Sat, 2 May 2026 18:32:22 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3a52a111-e961-4ac6-830c-31465a7d14de@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cfe5a1f5-f7fe-44a5-8af9-8e4c8d68b3d7@terraraq.uk>


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On 5/2/26 15:13, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> On 01/05/2026 16:30, Demi Marie Obenour wrote:
>> On 4/30/26 03:19, Eric Biggers wrote:
>>> But I also hope this finally provides some more impetus for AF_ALG to be
>>> deprecated and removed.  It's a massive, largely pointless attack
>>> surface which has been causing problems, including regular CVEs, ever
>>> since it was added to the kernel in 2010.  And of course it's gotten
>>> even worse lately, with LLMs now being able to find the bugs.
>>>
>>> Userspace crypto libraries exist.  There's no need to escalate to kernel
>>> mode just to do some math.
>>
>> The only reason I can think of to keep it is for embedded systems
>> with weak CPUs and crypto accelerators that are actually worth using.
>> However, those seem to be very rare outside of things like routers,
>> which run specialized distros like OpenWRT.  Even when the accelerator
>> exists and is worth using, AF_ALG is certainly not an efficient way
>> to access it.
> 
> I have that use case, although fortunately it's in a context where 
> splice() is disabled. But the requirement is for access to the SoC's 
> accelerator - the interface doesn't need to be via AF_ALG in particular, 
> it doesn't have to offer software crypto (and it might be better if it 
> didn't), and it needn't be independent of the specific hardware 
> (although in the bigger picture it'd be a shame if it wasn't).
> 
> ttfn/rjk

Can you provide benchmarks showing that the accelerator is faster
than the CPU on realistic workloads?
-- 
Sincerely,
Demi Marie Obenour (she/her/hers)

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-05-02 22:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2026-05-02  4:52                     ` AF_ALG hardening Demi Marie Obenour
2026-05-02  8:19                       ` Simon Richter
2026-05-02 20:42                         ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-05-02 19:16                       ` Eric Biggers
2026-05-04 19:01                         ` Simon Richter
2026-05-04 19:54                           ` Eric Biggers
     [not found]                     ` <20260502035402.GB3872267@google.com>
2026-05-02  6:39                       ` [oss-security] CVE-2026-31431: CopyFail: linux local privilege scalation Demi Marie Obenour
     [not found]                         ` <CAM=PXV4q2i13W8Z_AZGDfdxbqWANJ=U4Sw3FTcv5mH_QUrrSfA@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                           ` <afcqxCv58YrhbtVr@definition.pseudorandom.co.uk>
2026-05-03 19:20                             ` Greg Dahlman
     [not found]           ` <cfe5a1f5-f7fe-44a5-8af9-8e4c8d68b3d7@terraraq.uk>
2026-05-02 22:32             ` Demi Marie Obenour [this message]
2026-05-03  6:30               ` Peter Gutmann

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