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From: Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com>
To: Mina Almasry <almasrymina@google.com>, Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>
Cc: Byungchul Park <byungchul@sk.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v6 1/9] netmem: introduce struct netmem_desc mirroring struct page
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2025 20:28:31 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3b71cfa9-6c6f-48f7-8457-dac915438216@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHS8izMbtp0dN3+PZsivFD4Zg1DqaL5BJ4cw4jGjs=wCXAns3A@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/23/25 20:09, Mina Almasry wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 23, 2025 at 5:18 AM Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 23, 2025 at 07:28:21PM +0900, Byungchul Park wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jun 23, 2025 at 11:32:16AM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>>> On 20.06.25 06:12, Byungchul Park wrote:
>>>>> To simplify struct page, the page pool members of struct page should be
>>>>> moved to other, allowing these members to be removed from struct page.
>>>>>
>>>>> Introduce a network memory descriptor to store the members, struct
>>>>> netmem_desc, and make it union'ed with the existing fields in struct
>>>>> net_iov, allowing to organize the fields of struct net_iov.
>>>>
>>>> It would be great adding some result from the previous discussions in
>>>> here, such as that the layout of "struct net_iov" can be changed because
>>>> it is not a "struct page" overlay, what the next steps based on this
>>>
>>> I think the network folks already know how to use and interpret their
>>> data struct, struct net_iov for sure.. but I will add the comment if it
>>> you think is needed.  Thanks for the comment.
>>
>> I agree with David - it's not immediately obvious at first glance.
>> That was my feedback on the previous version as well :)
>>
>> I think it'd be great to add that explanation, since this is where MM and
>> networking intersect.
>>
> 
> I think a lot of people are now saying the same thing: (1) lets keep
> net_iov and page/netmem_desc separate, and (2) lets add comments
> explaining their relation so this intersection between MM and
> networking is not confused in the long term .
> 
> For #1, concretely I would recommend removing the union inside struct
> net_iov? And also revert all the changes to net_iov for that matter.

Without it the merge logistics will get more complicated than it
should be because of conflicts with changes in the io_uring tree.
It's a temporary solution, I'll convert once the series is merged
and reaches io_uring.

-- 
Pavel Begunkov


  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-23 19:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-20  4:12 [PATCH net-next v6 0/9] Split netmem from struct page Byungchul Park
2025-06-20  4:12 ` [PATCH net-next v6 1/9] netmem: introduce struct netmem_desc mirroring " Byungchul Park
2025-06-23  9:32   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-23 10:28     ` Byungchul Park
2025-06-23 10:38       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-23 12:18       ` Harry Yoo
2025-06-23 19:09         ` Mina Almasry
2025-06-23 19:28           ` Pavel Begunkov [this message]
2025-06-24  1:17           ` Byungchul Park
2025-06-20  4:12 ` [PATCH net-next v6 2/9] page_pool: rename page_pool_return_page() to page_pool_return_netmem() Byungchul Park
2025-06-20  4:12 ` [PATCH net-next v6 3/9] page_pool: rename __page_pool_release_page_dma() to __page_pool_release_netmem_dma() Byungchul Park
2025-06-20  4:12 ` [PATCH net-next v6 4/9] page_pool: rename __page_pool_alloc_pages_slow() to __page_pool_alloc_netmems_slow() Byungchul Park
2025-06-20  4:12 ` [PATCH net-next v6 5/9] netmem: use _Generic to cover const casting for page_to_netmem() Byungchul Park
2025-06-20  4:12 ` [PATCH net-next v6 6/9] netmem: remove __netmem_get_pp() Byungchul Park
2025-06-23  4:32   ` Byungchul Park
2025-06-24  0:17     ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-06-24  1:27       ` Byungchul Park
2025-06-20  4:12 ` [PATCH net-next v6 7/9] page_pool: make page_pool_get_dma_addr() just wrap page_pool_get_dma_addr_netmem() Byungchul Park
2025-06-20  4:12 ` [PATCH net-next v6 8/9] netmem: introduce a netmem API, virt_to_head_netmem() Byungchul Park
2025-06-20  4:12 ` [PATCH net-next v6 9/9] page_pool: access ->pp_magic through struct netmem_desc in page_pool_page_is_pp() Byungchul Park
2025-06-23  9:16   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-23 10:16     ` Byungchul Park
2025-06-23 11:13       ` Zi Yan
2025-06-23 11:25         ` Byungchul Park
2025-06-23 14:58         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-23 15:25           ` Zi Yan
2025-06-24 14:43             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2025-06-24 14:56               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-25  1:24                 ` Byungchul Park
2025-06-26  6:35                   ` Byungchul Park
2025-06-23 17:06           ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-06-23 17:28             ` Mina Almasry
2025-06-23 18:09               ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-06-23 18:14               ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-06-24  1:54                 ` Byungchul Park

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