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smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=Y9ef+DLv; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="Y9ef+DLv" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 74D3B1F000E9; Fri, 3 Jul 2026 07:06:01 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kernel.org; s=k20260515; t=1783062367; bh=Hg7IJj4ATWwgnTdZiQm5Sopne/isxX9eomdh02JspH4=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=Y9ef+DLvPAWqsV+B66oZ0j6jG9zDQBFRzsqyOY/G0D521ktuR6rR7iExHQSfgoWDu 0pTvXQCXs8QvLZnWN9Mm9zt7bMtSrsWSKzXnd4WGO2uEa/V8T30cwoBrSKhaYduY5k btZM8x1dJY8s3Svzp2NMlPpjubqTtdnIHMDv02aP2BMQciKM0KhwT/jfNRXWyXIHvk ibRyap318N8fVQGfUhoBDepV7U50+7sYllNvfqhZm/RSMu2tJXlPWrjA/tn9liqPjK NiYJW48KU4FOjVvQDoYfWU8AtLNQYC+YSStQqa2YBgD4gcSVPxQy5di3DArWVuGMi4 WoN11RWjbXt6A== Message-ID: <3f447113-4407-471f-878f-e6d6edafee71@kernel.org> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2026 09:05:58 +0200 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [PATCH] Documentation: remove the requirement for LLM attribution To: Boris Burkov , Lorenzo Stoakes Cc: Jeff Layton , Greg KH , Laurent Pinchart , Linus Torvalds , Jonathan Corbet , Justin Stitt , Carlos Maiolino , Jakub Kicinski , Jori Koolstra , Krzysztof Kozlowski , Brian Foster , Christoph Hellwig , David Disseldorp , Mark Brown , Jani Nikula , Jens Axboe , Vlastimil Babka , "Christian Brauner (Amutable)" , workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org References: <20260702-aidoc-v1-1-735572dfb995@kernel.org> <2026070224-unholy-commode-cf45@gregkh> <2114bb79bb5b6e5584a8236de3590e2f4bf0899f.camel@kernel.org> <20260702161330.GH3534761@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> <2026070227-payroll-eradicate-8f66@gregkh> <16c507cea8f2873766e1de586d9a0d73234a3038.camel@kernel.org> <20260702211740.GA639365@zen.localdomain> From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" Content-Language: en-US Autocrypt: addr=david@kernel.org; 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/2/26 23:17, Boris Burkov wrote: > On Thu, Jul 02, 2026 at 05:50:15PM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 02, 2026 at 12:48:22PM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote: >>> >>> Do we need a tag for this though? >>> >>> This seems like the kind of information that we would always require in >>> the cover letter of a series (or the little place in an individual >>> patch for comments that don't get merged). That would also allow you to >>> convey a lot more nuance about how it was used. >>> >>> ISTM asking people to disclose LLM usage in a cover letter would give >>> everyone what they want: Information about whether and possibly how an >>> LLM was used, and it also wouldn't clutter up the changelogs with these >>> tags. >> >> It's much much clearer and easier to just have a standardised tag for that. >> >> You can see that (and grep for that) immediately, vague paragraphs not so much. >> > > At the risk of being pedantic on a point where I think the document is > kind of lacking: > > What level of assistance crosses the bar for an "Assisted-by: LLM" tag? > > Some sample levels of assistance to illustrate the point: > > 1. I used an llm to one-shot vibe-code a patch > 2. I used an llm to write a patch but carefully reviewed every line > 3. I used an llm to explore the design space for a patch but wrote it > manually > 4. I used an llm to debug or reproduce a kernel issue but then wrote the > fix manually after fully understanding the defect > 5. I used an llm to review a patch I wrote > 6. I used an llm to research some chunk of code while writing a patch > 7. I used Google while writing a patch and learned something valuable > from the AI overview at the top > > I personally would 100% use the tag for 1 or 2, and have already done > so. I have not been doing it for 3-5, as I think that will basically > make every patch llm-assisted to the point of the distinction being > meaningless. If we should be doing it for 3-5 (or some subset thereof) > then my mistake and I will certainly start doing so. I would hope most > people agree 6-7 and similar need no tag. > > Similar questions abound if you use an llm to help with writing the > English text in the patch or emails. > > I have a feeling that this ambiguity is part of the reason we aren't all > agreeing on the value of the tag? Yes, I raised something similar as reply to Christian's RFC [1], where I said that for me the information *how* it was used is much more important: " Assisted-by: LLM # translate commit message Assisted-by: LLM # generate some test cases Assisted-by: LLM # cleanup logic Assisted-by: LLM # everything and I have no clue what any in here does " That tag is it stands is pretty useless, really. I assume most people only really use it for something in-between 1 and 2, but *who knows*. [1] https://lore.kernel.org/r/5e7b9d23-4291-48fb-bdc6-47db82d33c80@kernel.org -- Cheers, David