From: "Ilpo Järvinen" <ilpo.jarvinen@linux.intel.com>
To: Reinette Chatre <reinette.chatre@intel.com>
Cc: linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, "Shuah Khan" <shuah@kernel.org>,
"Shaopeng Tan" <tan.shaopeng@jp.fujitsu.com>,
"Maciej Wieczór-Retman" <maciej.wieczor-retman@intel.com>,
"Fenghua Yu" <fenghua.yu@intel.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 23/24] selftests/resctrl: Add L2 CAT test
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2023 11:53:04 +0200 (EET) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4008929-d12b-793e-dce8-eb5ba03b4ebb@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48c6795b-554a-4019-bb8d-a2ca0f6fbb2b@intel.com>
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On Fri, 3 Nov 2023, Reinette Chatre wrote:
> On 11/3/2023 3:39 AM, Ilpo Järvinen wrote:
> > On Thu, 2 Nov 2023, Reinette Chatre wrote:
> >> On 10/24/2023 2:26 AM, Ilpo Järvinen wrote:
> >
> >>> Add L2 CAT selftest. As measuring L2 misses is not easily available
> >>> with perf, use L3 accesses as a proxy for L2 CAT working or not.
> >>
> >> I understand the exact measurement is not available but I do notice some
> >> L2 related symbolic counters when I run "perf list". l2_rqsts.all_demand_miss
> >> looks promising.
> >
> > Okay, I was under impression that L2 misses are not available. Both based
> > on what you mentioned to me half an year ago and because of what flags I
> > found from the header. But I'll take another look into it.
>
> You are correct that when I did L2 testing a long time ago I used
> the model specific L2 miss counts. I was hoping that things have improved
> so that model specific counters are not needed, as you have tried here.
> I found the l2_rqsts symbol while looking for alternatives but I am not
> familiar enough with perf to know how these symbolic names are mapped.
> I was hoping that they could be a simple drop-in replacement to
> experiment with.
According to perf_event_open() manpage, mapping those symbolic names
requires libpfm so this would add a library dependency?
> >>> Signed-off-by: Ilpo Järvinen <ilpo.jarvinen@linux.intel.com>
> >>> ---
> >>> tools/testing/selftests/resctrl/cat_test.c | 68 +++++++++++++++++--
> >>> tools/testing/selftests/resctrl/resctrl.h | 1 +
> >>> .../testing/selftests/resctrl/resctrl_tests.c | 1 +
> >>> 3 files changed, 63 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
> >>>
> >>> diff --git a/tools/testing/selftests/resctrl/cat_test.c b/tools/testing/selftests/resctrl/cat_test.c
> >>> index 48a96acd9e31..a9c72022bb5a 100644
> >>> --- a/tools/testing/selftests/resctrl/cat_test.c
> >>> +++ b/tools/testing/selftests/resctrl/cat_test.c
> >>> @@ -131,8 +131,47 @@ void cat_test_cleanup(void)
> >>> remove(RESULT_FILE_NAME);
> >>> }
> >>>
> >>> +/*
> >>> + * L2 CAT test measures L2 misses indirectly using L3 accesses as a proxy
> >>> + * because perf cannot directly provide the number of L2 misses (there are
> >>> + * only platform specific ways to get the number of L2 misses).
> >>> + *
> >>> + * This function sets up L3 CAT to reduce noise from other processes during
> >>> + * L2 CAT test.
> >>
> >> This motivation is not clear to me. Does the same isolation used during
> >> L3 CAT testing not work? I expected it to follow the same idea with the
> >> L2 cache split in two, the test using one part and the rest of the
> >> system using the other. Is that not enough isolation?
> >
> > Isolation for L2 is done very same way as with L3 and I think it itself
> > works just fine.
> >
> > However, because L2 CAT selftest as is measures L3 accesses that in ideal
> > world equals to L2 misses, isolating selftest related L3 accesses from the
> > rest of the system should reduce noise in the # of L3 accesses. It's not
> > mandatory though so if L3 CAT is not available the function just prints a
> > warning about the potential noise and does setup nothing for L3.
>
> This is not clear to me. If the read misses L2 and then accesses L3 then
> it should not matter which part of L3 cache the work is isolated to.
> What noise do you have in mind?
The way it is currently done is to measure L3 accesses. If something else
runs at the same time as the CAT selftest, it can do mem accesses that
cause L3 accesses which is noise in the # of L3 accesses number since
those accesses were unrelated to the L2 CAT selftest.
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i.
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Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-10-24 9:26 [PATCH 00/24] selftests/resctrl: CAT test improvements & generalized test framework Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 01/24] selftests/resctrl: Split fill_buf to allow tests finer-grained control Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-27 11:24 ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-11-02 17:46 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 02/24] selftests/resctrl: Refactor fill_buf functions Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-27 11:32 ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-10-27 11:41 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 03/24] selftests/resctrl: Refactor get_cbm_mask() Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-27 11:39 ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-11-02 17:47 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-03 12:09 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 04/24] selftests/resctrl: Mark get_cache_size() cache_type const Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 05/24] selftests/resctrl: Create cache_size() helper Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-02 17:47 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-03 8:53 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-03 22:49 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 06/24] selftests/resctrl: Exclude shareable bits from schemata in CAT test Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-02 17:48 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 07/24] selftests/resctrl: Split measure_cache_vals() function Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-02 17:48 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 08/24] selftests/resctrl: Split show_cache_info() to test specific and generic parts Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-02 17:48 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 09/24] selftests/resctrl: Remove unnecessary __u64 -> unsigned long conversion Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-02 17:48 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-03 9:19 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 10/24] selftests/resctrl: Remove nested calls in perf event handling Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-02 17:49 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-03 9:45 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 11/24] selftests/resctrl: Consolidate naming of perf event related things Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 12/24] selftests/resctrl: Improve perf init Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-27 11:45 ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 13/24] selftests/resctrl: Convert perf related globals to locals Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-27 11:47 ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 14/24] selftests/resctrl: Move cat_val() to cat_test.c and rename to cat_test() Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-27 11:51 ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-10-27 12:18 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 15/24] selftests/resctrl: Read in less obvious order to defeat prefetch optimizations Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 16/24] selftests/resctrl: Rewrite Cache Allocation Technology (CAT) test Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-27 12:05 ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
[not found] ` <fb5e1a50-ba7-1ee8-8bf2-bb8b64b27b1@linux.intel.com>
2023-10-31 7:24 ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-11-02 17:51 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-03 10:57 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-03 22:50 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 17/24] selftests/resctrl: Create struct for input parameter Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-27 12:07 ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-11-02 17:51 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-03 11:24 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-03 22:50 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-06 9:06 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 18/24] selftests/resctrl: Introduce generalized test framework Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-02 17:52 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-03 9:54 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-03 22:50 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 19/24] selftests/resctrl: Pass write_schemata() resource instead of test name Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 20/24] selftests/resctrl: Add helper to convert L2/3 to integer Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-27 12:09 ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 21/24] selftests/resctrl: Get resource id from cache id Ilpo Järvinen
[not found] ` <cb2ctfignowlom7lb2t5zhdgtm4s2jlzlvtumlnvxecwwtjk34@ysgepmgkv6bb>
[not found] ` <ab4c6aa5-ea49-363a-ff7b-2215665f185d@linux.intel.com>
2023-10-31 7:58 ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 22/24] selftests/resctrl: Add test groups and name L3 CAT test L3_CAT Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 23/24] selftests/resctrl: Add L2 CAT test Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-02 17:57 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-03 10:39 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-03 22:53 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-06 9:53 ` Ilpo Järvinen [this message]
2023-11-06 17:03 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-06 21:22 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-07 9:33 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-08 16:31 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 24/24] selftests/resctrl: Ignore failures from L2 CAT test with <= 2 bits Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-02 17:57 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-03 10:24 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-03 22:53 ` Reinette Chatre
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