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From: David Ford <david+challenge-response@blue-labs.org>
To: David Lang <david.lang@digitalinsight.com>
Cc: Jes Sorensen <jes@wildopensource.com>, Zan Lynx <zlynx@acm.org>,
	Andreas Jellinghaus <aj@dungeon.inka.de>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [OT] Confirmation Spam Blocking was: List 'linux-dvb' closed to public posts
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:49:02 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <40101B1E.3030908@blue-labs.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0401221034090.4548@dlang.diginsite.com>

I've been amusing myself once or twice a week by studying some of these 
emails.  Due to the use of common words just like your email below, 
bayesian score is far too low (granting it a negative point value in SA).

The problem is that properly trained is too fluid.  It'd be far more 
achievable if I only talked geek..  Or if I only talked automotive.  Or 
that I only talked medical.  However, my "vocabulary" is far to varied 
to train a bayesian filter that the use of medical terms, computer 
terms, or a given topic, is taboo.

It cuts the gray area far to close to the middle of the road and thus 
makes marking the email as probable spam useless.  All I'm doing now is 
wasting CPU because in the end I'm doing the job of dealing with the 
spam myself.

Yes, I did see this.  I'm not so spiteful and actively pay attention to 
my queue when having this type of correspondence.

David

David Lang wrote:

>On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, David Ford wrote:
>  
>
>>Considering that Bayesian filters are useless against the new spam that
>>is proliferating these days, that's laughable.  Spam now comes with a
>>good 5-10K of random dictionary words.
>>    
>>
>so we need to extend the Bayesian filters to deal with multi-word combos,
>how many legit mail has those dictionary words in them? properly traind
>their presence should help identify the spam.
>
>not that you will ever see this (other then through the list) as I won't
>respond to your confirmation message.
>
>David Lang
>  
>

  reply	other threads:[~2004-01-22 18:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <ecartis-01212004203954.14209.1@mail.convergence2.de>
2004-01-21 19:43 ` List 'linux-dvb' closed to public posts Dave Jones
2004-01-21 19:54   ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-01-21 19:56   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-21 19:56     ` Dave Jones
2004-01-21 20:12       ` John Bradford
2004-01-21 21:44       ` Jes Sorensen
2004-01-22  5:11         ` Rik van Riel
2004-01-21 20:38     ` Zan Lynx
2004-01-21 20:57       ` Charles Cazabon
2004-01-21 21:57         ` Diego Calleja
2004-01-21 21:15       ` Dave Jones
2004-01-21 21:29         ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-01-21 21:30         ` [OT] Confirmation Spam Blocking was: " Mike Fedyk
2004-01-21 22:50           ` Adrian Bunk
2004-01-21 23:01           ` Wakko Warner
2004-01-22  6:51             ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-01-22 14:31               ` Wakko Warner
2004-01-21 23:40           ` Andreas Jellinghaus
2004-01-22  0:26             ` Zan Lynx
2004-01-22  5:14               ` Rik van Riel
2004-01-22 13:24               ` Jes Sorensen
2004-01-22 16:56                 ` David Ford
2004-01-22 17:01                   ` Trond Myklebust
2004-01-22 17:10                     ` David Ford
2004-01-22 17:35                       ` Trond Myklebust
2004-01-22 18:18                       ` Andreas Jellinghaus
2004-01-22 17:11                   ` Andreas Jellinghaus
2004-01-22 17:30                   ` viro
2004-01-22 17:34                     ` Ralf Hildebrandt
2004-01-22 17:41                     ` David Ford
2004-01-22 18:20                       ` Brian Beattie
2004-01-23  7:41                         ` Willy Tarreau
2004-01-23  9:24                         ` Paul Jakma
2004-01-22 18:35                   ` David Lang
2004-01-22 18:49                     ` David Ford [this message]
2004-01-22 22:18                       ` jw schultz
2004-01-22 22:58                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-22 23:16                           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-23  6:49                           ` David S. Miller
2004-01-23 15:38                             ` Chris Ricker
2004-01-23  9:25                           ` Paul Jakma
2004-01-23 19:38                           ` Pavel Machek
2004-01-22 22:43                     ` Scott Laird
2004-01-24 20:14                     ` Kevin O'Connor
2004-01-24 21:12                       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-24 23:25                         ` Kevin O'Connor
     [not found]                       ` <1hDmg-4AP-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-01-24 23:59                         ` Russ Allbery
2004-01-22 22:15                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2004-01-23  8:43                   ` Jes Sorensen
2004-01-26 22:58                     ` Max Valdez
2004-01-23  9:17                   ` Paul Jakma
2004-01-22  5:13           ` Rik van Riel
2004-01-21 23:08         ` Russell King
2004-01-22 13:28           ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-01-21 22:13       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-21 23:01         ` Marcus Metzler
2004-01-22 14:14           ` Johannes Stezenbach
2004-01-22 15:14             ` Marcus Metzler
2004-01-22 15:31               ` Johannes Stezenbach
2004-01-21 23:21         ` Stephen Hemminger
2004-01-22 15:15     ` Michael Hunold
2004-01-22 15:18       ` Dave Jones
2004-01-21 20:08   ` Valdis.Kletnieks

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