From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S265701AbUBBQ6t (ORCPT ); Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:58:49 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S265713AbUBBQ6t (ORCPT ); Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:58:49 -0500 Received: from kinesis.swishmail.com ([209.10.110.86]:44292 "EHLO kinesis.swishmail.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S265701AbUBBQ6q (ORCPT ); Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:58:46 -0500 Message-ID: <401E82D3.9070705@techsource.com> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 12:03:15 -0500 From: Timothy Miller MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Geert Uytterhoeven CC: John Bradford , chakkerz@optusnet.com.au, Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Crazy idea: Design open-source graphics chip References: <4017F2C0.4020001@techsource.com> <200401291211.05461.chakkerz@optusnet.com.au> <40193136.4070607@techsource.com> <200401291629.i0TGTN7S001406@81-2-122-30.bradfords.org.uk> <40193A67.7080308@techsource.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Timothy Miller wrote: > >>John Bradford wrote: >> >>>>The real question we have to ask ourselves is, what would be the market >>>>demand for a graphics card that is 3 generations behind the state of the >>>>art and over-priced, the only advantage being that it's a 100% open >>>>architecture? >>> >>> >>>Err, well there are always the server and embedded markets, if the >>>device was cheap enough. >> >>Ah, but it won't be. Low-volume ASICs are expensive. The chip itself >>would probably be around $150, not counting $100k NRE. Then you have to >>pay for the board, make up for the NRE, and make some profit to make it >>worth while. How much are YOU willing to pay? > > > Then why are companies doing ASICs with an OpenRISC core? I don't see how that relates. And to answer your question, maybe because there's a demand for it. I don't know. > > >>Whatever we design is going to be EXPENSIVE. So, regardless of the fact >>that an ATI All-in-Wonder Radeon 9000 is over-powered for job you >>describe, that board will be cheaper than what we could produce. > > > And it's probably overpowered when speaking about power consumption, too... > > Now think of a SoC with an OpenRISC core and an integrated graphics > controller... > That would be cool. :)