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From: Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>
To: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>
Cc: Rick Lindsley <ricklind@us.ibm.com>,
	Anton Blanchard <anton@samba.org>,
	akpm@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dvhltc@us.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Load balancing problem in 2.6.2-mm1
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 11:11:00 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <40242D14.6070908@cyberone.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <232690000.1076111266@flay>



Martin J. Bligh wrote:

>>>If CPU 8 has 2 tasks, and cpu 1 has 1 task, there's an imbalance of 1.
>>>*If* that imbalance persists (and it probably won't, given tasks being
>>>created, destroyed, and blocking for IO), we may want to rotate that 
>>>to 1 vs 2, and then back to 2 vs 1, etc. in the interests of fairness,
>>>even though it's slower throughput overall.
>>>
>>>
>>Yes, although as long as it's node local and happens a couple of
>>times a second you should be pretty hard pressed noticing the
>>difference.
>>
>
>Not sure how true that turns out to be in practice ... probably depends
>heavily on both the workload (how heavily it's using the cache) and the
>chip (larger caches have proportionately more to lose).
>
>As we go forward in time, cache warmth gets increasingly important, as
>CPUs accelerate speeds quicker than memory. Cache sizes also get larger.
>I'd really like us to be conservative here - the unfairness thing is 
>really hard to hit anyway - you need a static number of processes that
>don't ever block on IO or anything.
>
>

Can we keep current behaviour default, and if arches want to
override it they can? And if someone one day does testing to
show it really isn't a good idea, then we can change the default.

I like to try stick to the fairness first approach.

We got quite a few complaints about unfairness when the
scheduler used to keep 2 on one cpu and 1 on another, even in
development kernels. I suspect that most wouldn't have known
one way or the other if only top showed 66% each, but still.


  reply	other threads:[~2004-02-07  0:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-02-06  9:24 [PATCH] Load balancing problem in 2.6.2-mm1 Rick Lindsley
2004-02-06  9:38 ` Nick Piggin
2004-02-06 18:13   ` Rick Lindsley
2004-02-06 21:57     ` Nick Piggin
2004-02-06 22:30       ` Rick Lindsley
2004-02-06 22:40         ` Nick Piggin
2004-02-06 22:49           ` Rick Lindsley
2004-02-06 23:08             ` Nick Piggin
2004-02-06 10:30 ` Anton Blanchard
2004-02-06 18:15   ` Rick Lindsley
2004-02-06 18:39     ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-02-06 22:02       ` Nick Piggin
2004-02-06 22:34         ` Rick Lindsley
2004-02-06 22:48           ` Nick Piggin
2004-02-06 22:42         ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-02-06 22:53           ` Nick Piggin
2004-02-06 23:11           ` Rick Lindsley
2004-02-06 23:20             ` Nick Piggin
2004-02-06 23:33               ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-02-06 23:41                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-02-06 23:47                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-02-07  0:11                     ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2004-02-07  0:25                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-02-07  0:31                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-02-07  9:50                           ` Anton Blanchard
2004-02-08  0:40                             ` Rick Lindsley
2004-02-08  1:12                               ` Anton Blanchard
2004-02-08  1:21                                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-02-08  1:41                                   ` Anton Blanchard
2004-02-08  3:20                                     ` Nick Piggin
2004-02-08  3:57                                       ` Anton Blanchard
2004-02-08  4:05                                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-02-08 12:14                                           ` Anton Blanchard
2004-02-08  1:22                                 ` Anton Blanchard
2004-02-09 16:37                       ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-09 16:43                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-02-06 18:33   ` Martin J. Bligh

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