From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752239AbaHMJ7Q (ORCPT ); Wed, 13 Aug 2014 05:59:16 -0400 Received: from mondschein.lichtvoll.de ([194.150.191.11]:34538 "EHLO mail.lichtvoll.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750835AbaHMJ7O (ORCPT ); Wed, 13 Aug 2014 05:59:14 -0400 From: Martin Steigerwald To: Peter Zijlstra Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E5ns_Rullg=E5rd?= , Steven Rostedt , Christopher Barry , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 11:59:12 +0200 Message-ID: <4028452.uZ6nVZcbsE@merkaba> User-Agent: KMail/4.15 pre (Linux/3.16.0-tp520-fixcompwrite+; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; git-411eff3; 2014-08-11) In-Reply-To: <20140813095213.GG9918@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> References: <20140812153812.2923046a@monolith.infinux.org> <2838655.H5W5zNkR37@merkaba> <20140813095213.GG9918@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1810843.NS9zAstnXP"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --nextPart1810843.NS9zAstnXP Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Am Mittwoch, 13. August 2014, 11:52:13 schrieb Peter Zijlstra: > On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 11:37:28AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > That all said: I believe that any feedback like this is best served= on > > systemd-devel mailing list =E2=80=93 maybe in an attempt to express= it in a > > somewhat polite, yet also direct way. Instead of on LKML, debian-us= er, > > debian-devel and you name it what other mailinglists. Cause that wo= uld > > increase the chance of upstream noticing it. >=20 > I think most people have given up on talking to them entirely. I > certainly have. And yes, its a popular subject for bitchin' about. An= d I > realize that bitchin' won't fix thing at all, but we all need to vent= > our frustration somewhere. I understand and symphatize with that. I have given up on giving feedback to PulseAudio upstream as well for n= ow. I=20 just try to avoid it, but now Skype required skype 4.3. I don=C2=B4t us= e Skype at=20 the moment, but I support a close family member who does, and well=E2=80= =A6 I hope it=20 will just work. Or its Google Hangout or at some point a free as in fre= edom=20 *and* easy alternative I am not yet aware of. I read systemd-devel and I think there are quite sane discussions, but = I=20 believe if I bring up general feedback to systemd or question certain t= hings=20 about it=E2=80=A6 well=E2=80=A6 I feel reluctant about it at least. =2D-=20 Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 --nextPart1810843.NS9zAstnXP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEABECAAYFAlPrNvAACgkQmRvqrKWZhMcUrACfQewildRwwNWWlymyhM2KsvUL oHYAoJVzicsNJ4708hwEnS06VG0WnZQW =hJ7b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1810843.NS9zAstnXP--