From: Daniel Newby <newby@teco-xaco.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
Andrew Tridgell <tridge@samba.org>,
Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: UTF-8 and case-insensitivity
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:53:50 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4034253E.1040009@teco-xaco.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0402162034280.30742@home.osdl.org>
Linus Torvalds wrote:
> So some variation of the interface
>
> int magic_open(
> /* Input arguments */
> const char *pathname,
> unsigned long flags,
> mode_t mode,
What about making the pathname hold the alternative cases for each
character, not just an exact string? If Samba wanted to open
"A File.txt", it would do
magic_open( "[a|A][ ][f|F][i|I][e|E][.][t|T][x|X][t|T]", ... )
The syntax shown is conceptual; the actual code would use binary
packing. Characters would be variable length to support UTF-8 and
the like.
Userland would be responsible for making a useful pathname. If it
tried something like "[aL|P|#][m|m]", the kernel would cheerfully
use it. The only sanity checking would be that special characters
like "/" and ":" cannot have alternatives.
Pros:
1. Filesystem names are looked up in kernel mode, where it might be
efficient. (Less grossly slow at least.)
2. But the kernel doesn't care about encodings and character sets.
3. No new kernel infrastructure needed. (I hope?) The case-
insensitive system calls don't take a performance hit.
4. The kernel can detect name collisions and decide what to do
based on a flag.
5. Lookup tables are totally in userland and outside locks. Each
app can use the table it finds appropriate.
6. A naughty app can't deadlock the filesystem.
7. Case-insensitive calls can be atomic, if you're willing to pay
the performance price. It's straightforward for magic_creat() to
refuse to create collisions.
Cons:
1. Looking up multiple alternatives is hairy. (Not that the other
approaches are much prettier.)
2. Massive filenames would get turned into something *really*
massive (five times as many bytes for a simple packing). Does this
break anything?
-- Daniel Newby
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-02-19 2:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-02-17 4:12 UTF-8 and case-insensitivity tridge
2004-02-17 5:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-17 6:54 ` tridge
2004-02-17 8:33 ` Neil Brown
2004-02-17 22:48 ` tridge
2004-02-18 0:06 ` Neil Brown
2004-02-18 9:47 ` Helge Hafting
2004-02-17 15:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-17 16:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-17 19:44 ` viro
2004-02-17 20:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-17 20:17 ` viro
2004-02-17 20:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-17 21:08 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-17 21:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-17 22:27 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-18 3:02 ` tridge
2004-02-17 23:57 ` tridge
2004-02-17 23:20 ` tridge
2004-02-17 23:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-18 3:26 ` tridge
2004-02-18 5:33 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-18 7:54 ` Marc Lehmann
2004-02-18 2:37 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-18 3:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-18 3:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-18 3:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-18 21:31 ` tridge
2004-02-18 22:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-18 22:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-18 22:50 ` tridge
2004-02-18 22:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-18 23:09 ` tridge
2004-02-18 23:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 8:10 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-19 16:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 16:38 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-19 16:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 18:29 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-19 19:48 ` Eureka! (was Re: UTF-8 and case-insensitivity) Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 19:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 19:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-19 20:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 20:05 ` viro
2004-02-19 20:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 20:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 20:45 ` viro
2004-02-19 21:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 21:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 21:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 21:43 ` viro
2004-02-19 21:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 22:21 ` David Lang
2004-02-19 20:48 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-19 21:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-20 0:00 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-20 0:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-20 0:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-20 0:30 ` Trond Myklebust
2004-02-20 0:54 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-20 0:57 ` tridge
2004-02-20 1:07 ` Paul Wagland
2004-02-20 13:31 ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-02-20 0:46 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-23 10:13 ` Tim Connors
2004-02-20 1:39 ` Junio C Hamano
2004-02-20 12:54 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-19 23:37 ` tridge
2004-02-20 0:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-20 0:16 ` tridge
2004-02-20 0:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-20 1:26 ` tridge
2004-02-20 1:07 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-20 2:30 ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-02-20 12:04 ` explicit dcache <-> user-space cache coherency, sys_mark_dir_clean(), O_CLEAN Ingo Molnar
2004-02-20 13:19 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-20 13:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-02-20 14:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-02-20 16:31 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-20 13:23 ` [patch] " Ingo Molnar
2004-02-20 18:00 ` viro
2004-02-20 15:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-20 17:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-02-20 17:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-20 18:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-02-21 1:44 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-21 7:58 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-02-21 8:04 ` viro
2004-02-21 17:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-02-21 18:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-21 8:26 ` Keith Owens
2004-02-23 10:59 ` Pavel Machek
2004-02-23 13:55 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-23 16:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-02-23 17:32 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-20 23:00 ` tridge
2004-02-20 17:33 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-20 18:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-21 0:38 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-21 1:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-21 3:01 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-20 17:47 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-20 20:38 ` Christer Weinigel
2004-02-22 15:07 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-22 16:55 ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2004-02-19 19:08 ` UTF-8 and case-insensitivity Helge Hafting
2004-02-18 4:08 ` tridge
2004-02-18 10:05 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-18 11:43 ` tridge
2004-02-18 12:31 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-18 16:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-18 20:00 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-19 2:53 ` Daniel Newby [this message]
2004-02-17 5:25 ` Tim Connors
2004-02-17 7:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-17 8:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-17 14:25 ` Dave Kleikamp
2004-02-18 0:16 ` Robert White
2004-02-18 0:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-18 1:03 ` Robert White
2004-02-18 21:48 ` Ville Herva
2004-02-18 2:48 ` tridge
2004-02-18 20:56 ` Robert White
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2004-02-18 1:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
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2004-02-19 0:06 ` Pascal Schmidt
2004-02-19 1:01 ` tridge
2004-02-19 1:08 ` Hua Zhong
2004-02-19 1:46 ` tridge
2004-02-19 2:44 ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-02-19 3:20 ` tridge
2004-02-19 10:18 ` Helge Hafting
2004-02-19 12:11 ` Paulo Marques
2004-02-19 19:04 ` Helge Hafting
2004-02-19 14:08 ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-02-19 20:12 ` Robert White
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