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From: Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>
To: Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels@cistron.nl>
Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-lvm@sistina.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	thornber@redhat.com
Subject: Re: IO scheduler, queue depth, nr_requests
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:52:32 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <40353E30.6000105@cyberone.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040219205907.GE32263@drinkel.cistron.nl>



Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:

>On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:19:15, Jens Axboe wrote:
>
>>On Thu, Feb 19 2004, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Shouldn't the controller itself be performing the insertion?
>>>>
>>>Well, you would indeed expect the 3ware hardware to be smarter than
>>>that, but in its defence, the driver doesn't set sdev->simple_tags or
>>>sdev->ordered_tags at all. It just has a large queue on the host, in
>>>hardware.
>>>
>>A too large queue. IMHO the simple and correct solution to your problem
>>is to diminish the host queue (sane solution), or bump the block layer
>>queue size (dumb solution).
>>
>
>Well, I did that. Lowering the queue size of the 3ware controller to 64
>does help a bit, but performance is still not optimal - leaving it at 254
>and increasing the nr_requests of the queue to 512 helps the most.
>
>But the patch I posted does just as well, without any tuning. I changed
>it a little though - it only has the "new" behaviour (instead of blocking
>on allocating a request, allocate it, queue it, _then_ block) for WRITEs.
>That results in the best performance I've seen, by far.
>
>

That's because you are half introducing per-process limits.

>Now the style of my patch might be ugly, but what is conceptually wrong
>with allocating the request and queueing it, then block if the queue is
>full, versus blocking on allocating the request and keeping a bio
>"stuck" for quite some time, resulting in out-of-order requests to the
>hardware ?
>
>

Conceptually? The concept that you have everything you need to
continue and yet you block anyway is wrong.

>Note that this is not an issue of '2 processes writing to 1 file', really.
>It's one process and pdflush writing the same dirty pages of the same file.
>
>

pdflush is a process though, that's all that matters.


  reply	other threads:[~2004-02-19 22:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <20040216133047.GA9330@suse.de>
     [not found]   ` <20040217145716.GE30438@traveler.cistron.net>
2004-02-18 23:52     ` IO scheduler, queue depth, nr_requests Miquel van Smoorenburg
2004-02-19  1:24       ` Nick Piggin
2004-02-19  1:52         ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2004-02-19  2:01           ` Nick Piggin
2004-02-19  1:26       ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-19  2:11         ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2004-02-19  2:26           ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-19 10:15             ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2004-02-19 10:19               ` Jens Axboe
2004-02-19 20:59                 ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2004-02-19 22:52                   ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2004-02-19 23:53                     ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2004-02-20  0:15                       ` Nick Piggin
2004-02-20  1:12                       ` [PATCH] per process request limits (was Re: IO scheduler, queue depth, nr_requests) Nick Piggin
2004-02-20  1:26                         ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-20  1:40                           ` Nick Piggin
2004-02-20  2:32                             ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-20 14:40                               ` [PATCH] bdi_congestion_funp (was: Re: [PATCH] per process request limits (was Re: IO scheduler, queue depth, nr_requests)) Miquel van Smoorenburg
2004-02-20 14:57                                 ` Jens Axboe
2004-02-20 14:59                                 ` Joe Thornber
2004-02-20 15:00                                   ` Jens Axboe
2004-02-22 14:02                                     ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2004-02-22 19:55                                       ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-20  1:45                         ` [PATCH] per process request limits (was Re: IO scheduler, queue depth, nr_requests) Nick Piggin
2004-02-19  2:51           ` IO scheduler, queue depth, nr_requests Nick Piggin
2004-02-19 10:21             ` Jens Axboe
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2004-02-25 20:17                       ` Bill Davidsen
2004-02-25 21:39                         ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2004-02-26  0:39                         ` Nick Piggin

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