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From: Timothy Miller <miller@techsource.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Sean Fao <Sean.Fao@capitalgenomix.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Intel vs AMD x86-64
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:21:03 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <403BCE4F.6080102@techsource.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0402241322340.1095@ppc970.osdl.org>



Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Sean Fao wrote:
> 
>>Linus Torvalds wrote: 
>>
>>>Now, I'm not above complaining about Intel (in fact, the Intel people seem
>>>to often think I hate them because I'm apparently the only person who gets
>>>quoted who complains about bad decisions publicly), but at least I try to
>>>avoid complaining before-the-fact ;)
>>>
>>
>>It must come with the territory ;-).  Your message has already made it to
>>Slashdot so I'm sure this time will be no different.
> 
> 
> Yeah, and that's unfair to Intel. They've done the right thing 
> technically, and I applaud them for that, but their marketing people are 
> pricks.
> 
> Everybody else is "Intel-compatible" when they make x86 chips.  Intel is
> apparently a bit too used to _not_ saying "AMD-compatible".
> 
> Oh, well. The marketing people are probably proud of their "branding", and 
> screw the confusion.


I've been reading some people's comments relating to this, and it 
reflects a glimmer of an idea that occurred to me initially.  To begin 
with, I completely agree that it was unethical for Intel to imply that 
this was their innovation, giving no credit to AMD.  It was wrong, and 
they should be ashamed.

On the other hand, I don't see how Intel's marketing department could 
possibly justify to themselves doing "the right thing".  In this case, 
doing the right thing would be very bad for business, because giving 
proper credit would be like saying, (to paraphrase one commenter on 
osnews) "Well... we're behind the times, so we had to copy AMD's ideas, 
so there's little point in buying from us, because we didn't really do 
anything interesting, so you might as well give your business to AMD 
instead.  They're smarter than us."

Intel, being an organization driven by marketing and image, really 
CANNOT "do the right thing" without some kind of penalty that they would 
  find unacceptable.  Mind you, if Intel were driven by _performance_ 
and _superior_products_, rather than marketing, things would be a lot 
different.  That is to say, Intel's MUCH BIGGER sin is putting marketing 
ahead of technical merit.  (Hmmm, seems to me I've seen this sort of 
attitude elsewhere in the wintel industry.)


  reply	other threads:[~2004-02-24 22:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-02-24 21:01 Intel vs AMD x86-64 Sean Fao
2004-02-24 21:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-24 22:21   ` Timothy Miller [this message]
2004-02-25 22:30   ` Davide Rossetti
2004-02-24 21:31 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-24 21:31   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-24 21:28     ` Dave Jones
2004-02-26 21:39       ` Kai Henningsen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-03-02 23:22 Nakajima, Jun
2004-02-26  1:19 Nakajima, Jun
2004-02-26 16:04 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-27  3:16   ` Bill Davidsen
2004-02-25 20:07 Nakajima, Jun
2004-02-25 23:44 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-26  0:13   ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found] <1sRYA-1uZ-23@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <1sSi2-1NC-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <1sT4l-2CW-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-02-25 15:41     ` Bill Davidsen
2004-02-25 16:08       ` Moritz Muehlenhoff
2004-02-25  3:24 Nakajima, Jun
2004-02-25 16:22 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-25 16:17   ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-25 17:18     ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-25 17:16       ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-25 19:05         ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-25  3:07 Nakajima, Jun
     [not found] <7F740D512C7C1046AB53446D37200173EA2684@scsmsx402.sc.intel.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2004-02-24 23:49 ` Andi Kleen
2004-02-24 23:15 Nakajima, Jun
2004-02-25  1:52 ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-02-24  2:42 Albert Cahalan
2004-02-24 16:44 ` Dave Jones
2004-02-24 15:11   ` Albert Cahalan
2004-02-24 17:34     ` Dave Jones
2004-02-24 15:29       ` Albert Cahalan
2004-02-24 18:07         ` Dave Jones
2004-02-23 19:59 Xose Vazquez Perez
2004-02-23 18:10 Nakajima, Jun
2004-02-24 13:25 ` Pavel Machek
2004-02-18 21:28 Peter Maas
2004-02-18 21:26 Peter Maas
2004-02-18  1:44 Linus Torvalds
2004-02-18  9:56 ` Mikael Pettersson
2004-02-18 14:31   ` Diego Calleja García
2004-02-18 18:17     ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2004-02-18 14:54   ` Stefan Smietanowski
2004-02-18 15:47   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-22  2:59     ` Herbert Poetzl
2004-02-22  3:12       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-22  3:39         ` Tomasz Rola
2004-02-22  3:47           ` Mike Fedyk
2004-02-22  4:12         ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-02-23  0:38           ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-23  2:17             ` Tom Vier
2004-02-22  8:38         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-02-22 10:00         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-02-23 15:51         ` Clay Haapala
2004-02-23 17:03         ` Adrian Bunk
2004-02-23 17:31           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-24  9:47             ` Kees Bakker
2004-02-24  9:59               ` viro
2004-02-24 10:59             ` Andrew Walrond
2004-02-23 18:56           ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-02-23 21:25         ` Rik van Riel
2004-02-23 21:36           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-23 21:48             ` David S. Miller
2004-02-23 22:08               ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-23 22:06                 ` David S. Miller
2004-02-23 22:56             ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-24  1:01         ` Thomas Zehetbauer
2004-02-24  1:11           ` John Heil
2004-02-24 13:32             ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-24 14:39               ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-02-24 19:43               ` Rogier Wolff
2004-02-24 19:49                 ` John Heil
2004-02-24 20:03                   ` Mike Fedyk
2004-02-24 20:03                     ` John Heil
2004-02-24 21:20                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-25 18:40         ` Matt Seitz
2004-02-18 19:13   ` Aaron Lehmann
2004-02-19  6:02     ` Mikael Pettersson
2004-02-19  9:15 ` Terje Eggestad

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