From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
To: Timothy Miller <miller@techsource.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Intel vs AMD x86-64
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:41:25 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <403CC225.60802@tmr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1sT4l-2CW-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
Timothy Miller wrote:
> I've been reading some people's comments relating to this, and it
> reflects a glimmer of an idea that occurred to me initially. To begin
> with, I completely agree that it was unethical for Intel to imply that
> this was their innovation, giving no credit to AMD. It was wrong, and
> they should be ashamed.
Actually, it is unclear enough to me if the Intel chips will have any
technical advantages that I have postponed buying the dual Opteron I was
planning for 1Q04 until I read the Intel specs more carefully.
These are the issues of interest:
- hyperthreading
will Intel offer it and will it be in some way better than the 10-30%
gain I see from HT on a P4.
- cost
If Intel follows the previous price models for new chips they are not
in any way going to be competitive on cost/performance. On the other
hand they know that, they know they are playing catch-up in this market,
and they might be aggressive for a change.
- SSE3
what does it provide, is it in any way useful for anything I ever do,
and will gcc or the free for personal use Intel C compiler support it?
- availability
will this be a product or just a product announcement? I can wait
until 2Q04 if there's a reason to do so, after that I assume it's just FUD.
- will it work
or will it follow Itanium and take another generation before it runs
faster than the hardware emulator? Speaking of which, I would like Intel
to release the hardware emulator so I can do benchmarking now.
Having HT in a single package has some advantages, but talk is cheap,
and AMD is shipping. I personally hope it works really well and keeps
prices down.
--
bill on the road
next parent reply other threads:[~2004-02-25 15:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2004-02-25 15:41 ` Bill Davidsen [this message]
2004-02-25 16:08 ` Intel vs AMD x86-64 Moritz Muehlenhoff
2004-03-02 23:22 Nakajima, Jun
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2004-02-26 1:19 Nakajima, Jun
2004-02-26 16:04 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-27 3:16 ` Bill Davidsen
2004-02-25 20:07 Nakajima, Jun
2004-02-25 23:44 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-26 0:13 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-25 3:24 Nakajima, Jun
2004-02-25 16:22 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-25 16:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-25 17:18 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-25 17:16 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-25 19:05 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-25 3:07 Nakajima, Jun
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2004-02-24 23:49 ` Andi Kleen
2004-02-24 23:15 Nakajima, Jun
2004-02-25 1:52 ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-02-24 21:01 Sean Fao
2004-02-24 21:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-24 22:21 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-25 22:30 ` Davide Rossetti
2004-02-24 21:31 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-24 21:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-24 21:28 ` Dave Jones
2004-02-26 21:39 ` Kai Henningsen
2004-02-24 2:42 Albert Cahalan
2004-02-24 16:44 ` Dave Jones
2004-02-24 15:11 ` Albert Cahalan
2004-02-24 17:34 ` Dave Jones
2004-02-24 15:29 ` Albert Cahalan
2004-02-24 18:07 ` Dave Jones
2004-02-23 19:59 Xose Vazquez Perez
2004-02-23 18:10 Nakajima, Jun
2004-02-24 13:25 ` Pavel Machek
2004-02-18 21:28 Peter Maas
2004-02-18 21:26 Peter Maas
2004-02-18 1:44 Linus Torvalds
2004-02-18 9:56 ` Mikael Pettersson
2004-02-18 14:31 ` Diego Calleja García
2004-02-18 18:17 ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2004-02-18 14:54 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2004-02-18 15:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-22 2:59 ` Herbert Poetzl
2004-02-22 3:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-22 3:39 ` Tomasz Rola
2004-02-22 3:47 ` Mike Fedyk
2004-02-22 4:12 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-02-23 0:38 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-23 2:17 ` Tom Vier
2004-02-22 8:38 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-02-22 10:00 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-02-23 15:51 ` Clay Haapala
2004-02-23 17:03 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-02-23 17:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-24 9:47 ` Kees Bakker
2004-02-24 9:59 ` viro
2004-02-24 10:59 ` Andrew Walrond
2004-02-23 18:56 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-02-23 21:25 ` Rik van Riel
2004-02-23 21:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-23 21:48 ` David S. Miller
2004-02-23 22:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-23 22:06 ` David S. Miller
2004-02-23 22:56 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-24 1:01 ` Thomas Zehetbauer
2004-02-24 1:11 ` John Heil
2004-02-24 13:32 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-24 14:39 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-02-24 19:43 ` Rogier Wolff
2004-02-24 19:49 ` John Heil
2004-02-24 20:03 ` Mike Fedyk
2004-02-24 20:03 ` John Heil
2004-02-24 21:20 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-25 18:40 ` Matt Seitz
2004-02-18 19:13 ` Aaron Lehmann
2004-02-19 6:02 ` Mikael Pettersson
2004-02-19 9:15 ` Terje Eggestad
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