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From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
To: Timothy Miller <miller@techsource.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Intel vs AMD x86-64
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:41:25 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <403CC225.60802@tmr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1sT4l-2CW-17@gated-at.bofh.it>

Timothy Miller wrote:

> I've been reading some people's comments relating to this, and it 
> reflects a glimmer of an idea that occurred to me initially.  To begin 
> with, I completely agree that it was unethical for Intel to imply that 
> this was their innovation, giving no credit to AMD.  It was wrong, and 
> they should be ashamed.

Actually, it is unclear enough to me if the Intel chips will have any 
technical advantages that I have postponed buying the dual Opteron I was 
  planning for 1Q04 until I read the Intel specs more carefully.

These are the issues of interest:
- hyperthreading

   will Intel offer it and will it be in some way better than the 10-30% 
gain I see from HT on a P4.

- cost

   If Intel follows the previous price models for new chips they are not 
in any way going to be competitive on cost/performance. On the other 
hand they know that, they know they are playing catch-up in this market, 
and they might be aggressive for a change.

- SSE3

   what does it provide, is it in any way useful for anything I ever do, 
and will gcc or the free for personal use Intel C compiler support it?

- availability

   will this be a product or just a product announcement? I can wait 
until 2Q04 if there's a reason to do so, after that I assume it's just FUD.

- will it work

   or will it follow Itanium and take another generation before it runs 
faster than the hardware emulator? Speaking of which, I would like Intel 
to release the hardware emulator so I can do benchmarking now.

Having HT in a single package has some advantages, but talk is cheap, 
and AMD is shipping. I personally hope it works really well and keeps 
prices down.

-- 
bill on the road

       reply	other threads:[~2004-02-25 15:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1sRYA-1uZ-23@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <1sSi2-1NC-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <1sT4l-2CW-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-02-25 15:41     ` Bill Davidsen [this message]
2004-02-25 16:08       ` Intel vs AMD x86-64 Moritz Muehlenhoff
2004-03-02 23:22 Nakajima, Jun
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-02-26  1:19 Nakajima, Jun
2004-02-26 16:04 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-27  3:16   ` Bill Davidsen
2004-02-25 20:07 Nakajima, Jun
2004-02-25 23:44 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-26  0:13   ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-25  3:24 Nakajima, Jun
2004-02-25 16:22 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-25 16:17   ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-25 17:18     ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-25 17:16       ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-25 19:05         ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-25  3:07 Nakajima, Jun
     [not found] <7F740D512C7C1046AB53446D37200173EA2684@scsmsx402.sc.intel.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2004-02-24 23:49 ` Andi Kleen
2004-02-24 23:15 Nakajima, Jun
2004-02-25  1:52 ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-02-24 21:01 Sean Fao
2004-02-24 21:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-24 22:21   ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-25 22:30   ` Davide Rossetti
2004-02-24 21:31 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-24 21:31   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-24 21:28     ` Dave Jones
2004-02-26 21:39       ` Kai Henningsen
2004-02-24  2:42 Albert Cahalan
2004-02-24 16:44 ` Dave Jones
2004-02-24 15:11   ` Albert Cahalan
2004-02-24 17:34     ` Dave Jones
2004-02-24 15:29       ` Albert Cahalan
2004-02-24 18:07         ` Dave Jones
2004-02-23 19:59 Xose Vazquez Perez
2004-02-23 18:10 Nakajima, Jun
2004-02-24 13:25 ` Pavel Machek
2004-02-18 21:28 Peter Maas
2004-02-18 21:26 Peter Maas
2004-02-18  1:44 Linus Torvalds
2004-02-18  9:56 ` Mikael Pettersson
2004-02-18 14:31   ` Diego Calleja García
2004-02-18 18:17     ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2004-02-18 14:54   ` Stefan Smietanowski
2004-02-18 15:47   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-22  2:59     ` Herbert Poetzl
2004-02-22  3:12       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-22  3:39         ` Tomasz Rola
2004-02-22  3:47           ` Mike Fedyk
2004-02-22  4:12         ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-02-23  0:38           ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-23  2:17             ` Tom Vier
2004-02-22  8:38         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-02-22 10:00         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-02-23 15:51         ` Clay Haapala
2004-02-23 17:03         ` Adrian Bunk
2004-02-23 17:31           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-24  9:47             ` Kees Bakker
2004-02-24  9:59               ` viro
2004-02-24 10:59             ` Andrew Walrond
2004-02-23 18:56           ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-02-23 21:25         ` Rik van Riel
2004-02-23 21:36           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-23 21:48             ` David S. Miller
2004-02-23 22:08               ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-23 22:06                 ` David S. Miller
2004-02-23 22:56             ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-24  1:01         ` Thomas Zehetbauer
2004-02-24  1:11           ` John Heil
2004-02-24 13:32             ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-24 14:39               ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-02-24 19:43               ` Rogier Wolff
2004-02-24 19:49                 ` John Heil
2004-02-24 20:03                   ` Mike Fedyk
2004-02-24 20:03                     ` John Heil
2004-02-24 21:20                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-25 18:40         ` Matt Seitz
2004-02-18 19:13   ` Aaron Lehmann
2004-02-19  6:02     ` Mikael Pettersson
2004-02-19  9:15 ` Terje Eggestad

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