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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	jun.nakajima@intel.com, ricklind@us.ibm.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@osdl.org, kernel@kolivas.org,
	rusty@rustcorp.com.au, anton@samba.org,
	lse-tech@lists.sourceforge.net, mbligh@aracnet.com
Subject: Re: [Lse-tech] [patch] sched-domain cleanups, sched-2.6.5-rc2-mm2-A3
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:20:12 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4068066C.507@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040329084531.GB29458@wotan.suse.de>

Andi Kleen wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 09:30:32PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
>>* Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>That won't help for threaded programs that use clone(). OpenMP is such
>>>a case.
>>
>>this patch:
>>
>>        redhat.com/~mingo/scheduler-patches/sched-2.6.5-rc2-mm3-A4
>>
>>does balancing at wake_up_forked_process()-time.
>>
>>but it's a hard issue. Especially after fork() we do have a fair amount
>>of cache context, and migrating at this point can be bad for
>>performance.
> 
> 
> I ported it by hand to the -mm4 scheduler now and tested it. While
> it works marginally better than the standard -mm scheduler 
> (you get 1 1/2 the bandwidth of one CPU instead of one) it's still
> still much worse than the optimum of nearly 4 CPUs archived by
> 2.4 or the standard scheduler.
> 

OK there must be some pretty simple reason why this is happening.
I guess being OpenMP it is probably a bit complicated for you to
try your own scheduling in userspace using CPU affinities?
Otherwise could you trace what gets scheduled where for both
good and bad kernels? It should help us work out what is going
on.

I wonder if using one CPU from each quad of the NUMAQ would be
give at all comparable behaviour...

If it isn't a big problem, could you test with -mm5 with the
generic sched domain? STREAM doesn't take long, does it?
I don't expect much difference, but the code is in flux while
Ingo and I try to sort things out.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-03-29 11:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-03-25 15:31 [Lse-tech] [patch] sched-domain cleanups, sched-2.6.5-rc2-mm2-A3 Nakajima, Jun
2004-03-25 15:40 ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-25 19:09   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-25 15:21     ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-25 19:39       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-25 20:30         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-29  8:45           ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-29 10:20             ` Rick Lindsley
2004-03-29  5:07               ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-29 11:28               ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-29 17:30                 ` Rick Lindsley
2004-03-30  0:01                   ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30  1:26                     ` Rick Lindsley
2004-03-29 11:20             ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2004-03-29  6:01               ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-29 11:46                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-29  7:03                   ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-29  7:10                     ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-29 20:14                   ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-29 23:51                     ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30  6:34                       ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-30  6:40                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-30  7:07                           ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-30  7:14                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30  7:45                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-30  7:58                                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30  7:15                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-30  7:18                               ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30  7:48                               ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-30  8:18                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-30  9:36                                   ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-30  7:42                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-30  7:03                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30  7:13                           ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-30  7:24                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30  7:38                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-30  7:13                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-30  7:31                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30  7:38                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-30  8:05                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-30  8:19                                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30  8:45                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-30  8:53                                     ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30 15:27                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-25 19:24     ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-25 21:48       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-25 22:28         ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-29 22:30           ` Erich Focht
2004-03-30  9:05             ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30 10:04               ` Erich Focht
2004-03-30 10:58                 ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-30 16:03                   ` [patch] sched-2.6.5-rc3-mm1-A0 Ingo Molnar
2004-03-31  2:30                     ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30 11:02                 ` [Lse-tech] [patch] sched-domain cleanups, sched-2.6.5-rc2-mm2-A3 Andrew Morton
     [not found]                   ` <20040330161438.GA2257@elte.hu>
     [not found]                     ` <20040330161910.GA2860@elte.hu>
     [not found]                       ` <20040330162514.GA2943@elte.hu>
2004-03-30 21:03                         ` [patch] new-context balancing, 2.6.5-rc3-mm1 Ingo Molnar
2004-03-31  2:30                           ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-31 18:59                   ` [Lse-tech] [patch] sched-domain cleanups, sched-2.6.5-rc2-mm2-A3 Erich Focht
2004-03-31  2:08                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-31 22:23                   ` Erich Focht
2004-03-30 15:01             ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-31 21:23               ` Erich Focht
2004-03-31 21:33                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-25 21:59   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-25 22:26     ` Rick Lindsley
2004-03-25 22:30     ` Andrew Theurer
2004-03-25 22:38       ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-26  1:29       ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-26  3:23   ` Nick Piggin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-03-30 21:40 Nakajima, Jun
2004-03-30 22:15 ` Andrew Theurer
     [not found] <1DF7H-22Y-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <1DL3x-7iG-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <1DLGd-7TS-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <1FmNz-72J-73@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <1FnzJ-7IW-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-03-30  9:39         ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-31  1:56           ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-25 15:15 Nakajima, Jun
2004-03-25 16:19 ` John Hawkes
2004-03-25 16:53 ` Martin J. Bligh

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