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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
Cc: mingo@elte.hu, jun.nakajima@intel.com, ricklind@us.ibm.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@osdl.org, kernel@kolivas.org,
	rusty@rustcorp.com.au, anton@samba.org,
	lse-tech@lists.sourceforge.net, mbligh@aracnet.com
Subject: Re: [Lse-tech] [patch] sched-domain cleanups, sched-2.6.5-rc2-mm2-A3
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:03:42 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <40691BCE.2010302@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040330083450.368eafc6.ak@suse.de>

Andi Kleen wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:51:46 +1000
> Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>>So both -mm5 and Ingo's sched.patch are much worse than
>>what 2.4 and 2.6 get?
> 
> 
> Yes (2.6 vanilla and 2.4-aa at that, i haven't tested 2.4-vanilla) 
> 
> Ingo's sched.patch makes it a bit better (from 1x CPU to 1.5-1.7xCPU), but still
> much worse than the max of 3.7x-4x CPU bandwidth.
> 

So it is very likely to be a case of the threads running too
long on one CPU before being balanced off, and faulting in
most of their working memory from one node, right?

I think it is impossible for the scheduler to correctly
identify this and implement the behaviour that OpenMP wants
without causing regressions on more general workloads
(Assuming this is the problem).

We are not going to go back to the wild balancing that
numasched does (I have some benchmarks where sched-domains
reduces cross node task movement by several orders of
magnitude). So the other option is to do balance on clone
across NUMA nodes, and make it very sensitive to imbalance.
Or probably better to make it easy to balance off to an idle
CPU, but much more difficult to balance off to a busy CPU.

I suspect this would still be a regression for other tests
though where thread creation is more frequent, threads share
working set more often, or the number of threads > the number
of CPUs.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-03-30  7:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-03-25 15:31 [Lse-tech] [patch] sched-domain cleanups, sched-2.6.5-rc2-mm2-A3 Nakajima, Jun
2004-03-25 15:40 ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-25 19:09   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-25 15:21     ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-25 19:39       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-25 20:30         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-29  8:45           ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-29 10:20             ` Rick Lindsley
2004-03-29  5:07               ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-29 11:28               ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-29 17:30                 ` Rick Lindsley
2004-03-30  0:01                   ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30  1:26                     ` Rick Lindsley
2004-03-29 11:20             ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-29  6:01               ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-29 11:46                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-29  7:03                   ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-29  7:10                     ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-29 20:14                   ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-29 23:51                     ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30  6:34                       ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-30  6:40                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-30  7:07                           ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-30  7:14                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30  7:45                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-30  7:58                                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30  7:15                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-30  7:18                               ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30  7:48                               ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-30  8:18                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-30  9:36                                   ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-30  7:42                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-30  7:03                         ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2004-03-30  7:13                           ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-30  7:24                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30  7:38                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-30  7:13                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-30  7:31                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30  7:38                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-30  8:05                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-30  8:19                                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30  8:45                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-30  8:53                                     ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30 15:27                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-25 19:24     ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-25 21:48       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-25 22:28         ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-29 22:30           ` Erich Focht
2004-03-30  9:05             ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30 10:04               ` Erich Focht
2004-03-30 10:58                 ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-30 16:03                   ` [patch] sched-2.6.5-rc3-mm1-A0 Ingo Molnar
2004-03-31  2:30                     ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30 11:02                 ` [Lse-tech] [patch] sched-domain cleanups, sched-2.6.5-rc2-mm2-A3 Andrew Morton
     [not found]                   ` <20040330161438.GA2257@elte.hu>
     [not found]                     ` <20040330161910.GA2860@elte.hu>
     [not found]                       ` <20040330162514.GA2943@elte.hu>
2004-03-30 21:03                         ` [patch] new-context balancing, 2.6.5-rc3-mm1 Ingo Molnar
2004-03-31  2:30                           ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-31 18:59                   ` [Lse-tech] [patch] sched-domain cleanups, sched-2.6.5-rc2-mm2-A3 Erich Focht
2004-03-31  2:08                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-31 22:23                   ` Erich Focht
2004-03-30 15:01             ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-31 21:23               ` Erich Focht
2004-03-31 21:33                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-25 21:59   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-25 22:26     ` Rick Lindsley
2004-03-25 22:30     ` Andrew Theurer
2004-03-25 22:38       ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-26  1:29       ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-26  3:23   ` Nick Piggin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-03-30 21:40 Nakajima, Jun
2004-03-30 22:15 ` Andrew Theurer
     [not found] <1DF7H-22Y-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <1DL3x-7iG-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <1DLGd-7TS-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <1FmNz-72J-73@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <1FnzJ-7IW-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-03-30  9:39         ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-31  1:56           ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-25 15:15 Nakajima, Jun
2004-03-25 16:19 ` John Hawkes
2004-03-25 16:53 ` Martin J. Bligh

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