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From: Ric Wheeler <ric@emc.com>
To: Chris Mason <mason@suse.com>
Cc: "Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>,
	Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <B.Zolnierkiewicz@elka.pw.edu.pl>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] barrier patch set
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:28:06 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <406B0DB6.7050102@emc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1080743276.3547.146.camel@watt.suse.com>


As one of the large users of the Jens and Chris's barrier support in 
2.4, I am very motivated to help validate and benchmark the new version.

Stephen, if you have a specific mysql workload or usage case, I can try 
to through that into the mix.  We do a lot of Sleepycat DB testing, 
would results from that help?

Ric


Chris Mason wrote:

>On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 09:03, Stephen C. Tweedie wrote:
>  
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>On Tue, 2004-03-30 at 23:13, Chris Mason wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Most database benchmarks are done on scsi, and the blkdev_flush should
>>>be a noop there.  For IDE based database and mail server benchmarks, the
>>>results won't be pretty.  
>>>      
>>>
>>Yep.  I'm really not too worried about big database benchmarks -- those
>>are very much special cases, using rather specialised storage setup
>>(SCSI or FC, striped over lots of small disks rather than fewer large
>>ones.)  I'm much more concerned about your average LAMP user's mysql
>>database, and how to keep performance sane on that.
>>
>>    
>>
>In some cases, it's going to be so much slower that it will look like
>the old code wasn't writing the data at all.  I don't think there's much
>we can do about that.
>
>  
>
>>>The reiserfs fsync code tries hard to only flush once, so if a commit is
>>>done then blkdev_flush isn't called.  We might have to do a few other
>>>tricks to queue up multiple synchronous ios and only flush once.
>>>      
>>>
>>Batching is really helpful when you've got lots of threads that can be
>>coalesced, yes.  ext3 does that for things like mail servers.  I'm not
>>sure whether the same tricks will apply to the various databases out
>>there, though.
>>    
>>
>
>We can do better in general when there's more then one process doing an
>fsync.  reiserfs and ext3 both try to be smart about batching log
>commits, but I think we could do more to streamline the data writes.
>
>I'm playing with a few ideas, I'll post more when I've got real code to
>back things up.
>
>If there's only one process doing fsyncs, there's not much the kernel
>can do except provide an aio fsync call.
>
>-chris
>
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  reply	other threads:[~2004-03-31 18:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-03-19 15:35 [PATCH] barrier patch set Jens Axboe
2004-03-19 16:30 ` Mika Penttilä
2004-03-19 18:16   ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-19 18:44     ` Mika Penttilä
2004-03-20  9:55       ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-19 16:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-19 18:19   ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-19 23:01   ` Matthias Andree
2004-03-20  0:02     ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20  1:48       ` Johannes Stezenbach
2004-03-20  2:13         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20  2:53           ` Johannes Stezenbach
2004-03-20 16:03             ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20 11:36           ` Matthias Andree
2004-03-20 16:00             ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20 23:36               ` Johannes Stezenbach
2004-03-21  1:33                 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20 18:52       ` Helge Hafting
2004-03-22 11:15         ` Matthias Andree
2004-03-19 23:59   ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20  0:14     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-20  0:40       ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20  0:42         ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-20  1:24           ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20  9:58             ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-20 10:12               ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-20 10:19                 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-20 10:37                   ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-20 16:30                     ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-21 18:12                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-20 10:21             ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-20 15:54               ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20  0:17     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-20  9:53     ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-20 16:23       ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20 16:27         ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-20 16:32         ` Chris Mason
2004-03-20 17:05           ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20 17:10             ` Chris Mason
2004-03-20 20:16               ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-21  9:43                 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-30 16:04             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-03-30 19:19               ` Chris Mason
2004-03-30 21:50                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-03-30 22:13                   ` Chris Mason
2004-03-31 14:03                     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-03-31 14:27                       ` Chris Mason
2004-03-31 18:28                         ` Ric Wheeler [this message]
2004-03-30 22:21                   ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 22:36                     ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-03-30 22:39                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 22:41                         ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-03-30 22:40                     ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-30 22:38                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-31 14:08                     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-03-31 14:21                       ` Chris Mason
2004-03-31 21:26                         ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-31 22:09                           ` Chris Mason
2004-03-31 21:27                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-19 16:48 ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2004-03-19 18:19   ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-22 11:09 ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-22 11:10   ` Jens Axboe

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