From: Tim Bird <tim.bird@am.sony.com>
To: Peter Williams <peterw@aurema.com>
Cc: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjanv@redhat.com>,
Albert Cahalan <albert@users.sourceforge.net>,
"Randy.Dunlap" <rddunlap@osdl.org>,
ak@muc.de, Richard.Curnow@superh.com, aeb@cwi.nl,
linux-kernel mailing list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: finding out the value of HZ from userspace
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 10:28:00 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <406DB0B0.8060003@am.sony.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <406CC589.8050208@aurema.com>
Peter Williams wrote:
>> It's not possible to change USER_HZ. There are too many programs with
>> the number hard-coded into the binary.
>
> This is an argument that the tail should be allowed to wag the dog and
> is not really valid :-)
It is an interesting, but untenable, position that the applications
are the tail and the OS is the dog. The OS exists to serve the applications.
The applications, are, after all what a user actually DOES with their computer.
It is possible that the current applications which use hardcoded USER_HZ are
not important enough, or are easy enough to fix, that the cost in incompatibility
is offset by the benefit of providing different behaviour for future applications.
But breaking them for no good reason, and particularly while there is a
migration path possible over time which does not break compatibility, seems like
a bad idea.
=============================
Tim Bird
Architecture Group Co-Chair
CE Linux Forum
Senior Staff Engineer
Sony Electronics
E-mail: Tim.Bird@am.sony.com
=============================
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-04-02 18:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-03-16 16:14 finding out the value of HZ from userspace Albert Cahalan
2004-03-16 17:22 ` Richard Curnow
2004-03-20 9:56 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-20 14:54 ` Albert Cahalan
2004-03-20 23:58 ` Peter Williams
2004-03-31 21:40 ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-03-31 23:46 ` Albert Cahalan
2004-04-01 15:54 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-01 16:01 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-04-01 16:30 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-01 16:50 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-04-01 17:01 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-01 21:27 ` Michael Buesch
2004-04-02 0:16 ` Peter Williams
2004-04-02 0:07 ` Peter Williams
2004-04-02 0:39 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-02 1:44 ` Peter Williams
2004-04-02 18:28 ` Tim Bird [this message]
2004-04-02 22:05 ` Peter Williams
2004-04-01 16:12 ` Albert Cahalan
[not found] <1zkOe-Uc-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <1zl7M-1eJ-43@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <1zn9p-3mW-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <1znj5-3wM-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <1AaWr-655-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-03-16 2:27 ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-16 5:53 ` Peter Williams
2004-03-16 6:16 ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-16 23:15 ` Peter Williams
2004-03-16 23:56 ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-17 0:15 ` Peter Williams
2004-03-16 9:16 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-03-16 23:45 ` Peter Williams
[not found] <michf@post.tau.ac.il>
2004-03-11 14:17 ` Micha Feigin
2004-03-13 17:24 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-13 19:34 ` John Reiser
2004-03-13 19:38 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-13 22:14 ` Micha Feigin
2004-03-13 22:32 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-14 1:05 ` Micha Feigin
2004-03-14 1:49 ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-14 14:37 ` Micha Feigin
2004-03-16 0:28 ` Peter Williams
2004-03-16 6:33 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-16 23:38 ` Peter Williams
2004-03-20 10:22 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-20 11:28 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2004-03-20 11:41 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-20 23:58 ` Peter Williams
2004-03-21 1:09 ` Tim Schmielau
2004-03-21 1:30 ` Peter Williams
2004-03-21 8:00 ` Kai Henningsen
2004-03-21 10:32 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2004-03-22 22:34 ` Micha Feigin
2004-03-22 23:04 ` Peter Williams
2004-03-25 17:40 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-25 23:22 ` Peter Williams
2004-03-27 13:31 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-27 23:52 ` Peter Williams
2004-03-28 12:16 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-27 21:11 ` Micha Feigin
2004-03-20 23:26 ` Peter Williams
2004-03-13 21:19 ` tabris
2004-03-13 22:10 ` Micha Feigin
2004-03-13 22:41 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-14 1:07 ` Micha Feigin
2004-03-14 18:26 ` John Reiser
2004-03-14 2:45 ` Horst von Brand
2004-03-14 14:39 ` Micha Feigin
2004-03-15 8:17 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-16 18:16 ` Mark Gross
2004-03-15 10:13 ` Richard Curnow
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